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greetings and salutations uh old friends

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and hopefully some new friends tonight

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we're gonna be covering something that

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uh we covered once before with my friend

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dan hogan who is into

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ghosts and spirits and evps that was our

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first investigation into the phenomenon

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of evps now for those unaware

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evp stands for electronic voice

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phenomenon

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which is very interesting to me and i

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sort of follow this kind of stuff on

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different social media and people

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posting videos and audio of these evp

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uh recordings

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essentially there's all different

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methods for doing it some people

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record from

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uh just a regular recorder they will ask

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questions to the ghosts or spirits or

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demons i guess you know the entities in

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a certain area they will ask questions

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try to interact with while recording

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and in many cases of people that i have

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talked to they don't hear anything

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but they have the recorder running and

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then after the session they will go and

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go through the recording

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and see if there if anything

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pops up audio wise or voice wise

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very interesting to me that i know a

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friend of mine uh in europe

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who happens to be german and

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he does it and the ghosts in the area

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that he's in speak in german so he has

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german evps this is a strange

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interesting and worldwide phenomenon

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it's not just

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in the united states this happens i've

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been in contact we're seeing people from

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all over the world that are capturing

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these

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other people use

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more strange methods sometimes recording

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from a television

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that is just playing static and

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on different frequencies in between

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um in between the actual radio stations

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like in the static and sometimes in the

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in the static people find uh

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intelligible

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communications that they believe comes

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from spirits ghosts demons or

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some kind of otherworldly entity

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some of the stuff gets a little creepy

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and weird

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and maybe that's why i like it

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so uh my guest tonight is gary arnold

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who uh

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sort of i found i believe or yeah i

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believe that i found him from his

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youtube videos uh and other posts on

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social media about his own experience

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with electronic voice phenomenon spirits

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and ghosts

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now i want to be very clear in that i

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don't i don't know our guest tonight

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very well and i was going to have a

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conversation with him off air for a

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while about all his experiences and

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things like that and you know sort of

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get more of his story and and all of

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these things before

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doing a show as with him as guest but

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then i thought it would be better if we

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just go at this cold and and i'm gonna

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try to get to know more about gary and

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his incredible experiences tonight and

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we're gonna just bring you along with us

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so without any uh further fanfare or do

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let's bring in our guest tonight gary

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arnold hi thank you thank you

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great to talk to you

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yes so

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i i've been i've been listening to some

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of your posts and and some of these evps

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are kind of creepy and mysterious and

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weird but before we get before we get to

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the evps you first you got to tell me

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is there been some kind of did you have

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like an interest in ghosts and spirits

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and then you found the evps or was it

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was this pvp thing from the start like

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how did this happen because you are

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gary is obsessed with this stuff you're

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like obsessed with this stuff brother

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yeah i love you for it i love you for it

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thank you um yeah this this kind of fell

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into my lap um it was 2017 almost to the

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day it's been almost four years to the

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i work in academia at a local hbcu in uh

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in chester county pennsylvania and

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i i would always take my uh my lunch in

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the library all right at the university

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library and one way is to get away from

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the kids okay so i have some

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time for myself uh without interruption

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and uh anyhow the kids had already gone

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home for the christmas holidays

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i'm over in the library and i'm getting

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ready to read charles dickens all right

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my background i work in academia like i

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said and it's writing all right academic

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support and the writing role you know

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teaching writing and helping students uh

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academic engagement specialists is what

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i'm officially known as

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anyway um so i'm over the library and i

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thought this is a great time i'm gonna

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do some free reading during my lunch

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break and i pick up charles dickens a

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christmas carol now most people are

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familiar with the tv movies over all the

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years and so many different versions of

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actually it's a short story so i was

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like i want gonna sit down and you know

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spend my time uh just you know

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refreshing the the real deal here when

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it was written uh by charles dickens and

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then i jump in there i'm getting ready

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to read the first page

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and i get this really

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strange uh sound and only my right ear

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the sound is like nothing i've heard

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before it's not ear ringing it's a lot

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more intense and it's got a coated

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component to it again it's only in my

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so i'm thinking my god what is that that

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an idea comes into my head i don't know

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how to put it otherwise um that i have

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an old school tracfone in my pocket all

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right and i brought i remember those

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yeah i i brought it's a they're known as

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the obama phone remember they were

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freebies for a while uh yeah the

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government subsidized ones anyway um

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so i'm there and i'm like man i bet that

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has a digital recorder on it a digital

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voice recorder so i'm like i want to

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record this terrible noise that's

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interrupting my reading of charles

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dickens

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so i push record

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and and i'm expecting upon playback when

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i stop i'm like okay well i wonder if it

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picked up that noise instead of the

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it picks up a voice

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a whispered voice saying my name

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and i thought man

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what what the heck is somebody goofing

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me i said because there's nobody in the

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library all right the students have left

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like i said but i look around i'm

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thinking somebody pranking you know

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you just think that hey the rational

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yeah i left mystified i didn't finish

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reading it i'm like what is this i mean

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it's a strange thing i didn't hear a

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voice in my head i've never heard voices

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in my head i just hear this crystalline

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coated almost insect it's very high

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sound and only my right ear when they

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want to talk and i say they because

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curiosity got the best of me so the very

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next day i go back and have my lunch

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there and i

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i basically am wondering is it gonna

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happen again and it does

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and it happens

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uh and it's very intense but this time i

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come with a question all right i said is

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anybody here all right i say that out

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loud when i'm recording

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all right there is a message

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and a voice says yes people

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so i step back and i'm like okay uh this

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is now you know it it's happening again

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and i'm thinking

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is there an organic reason am i cracking

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up and is there because there's no

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history of schizophrenia or anything

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yeah you were wearing i'm worried i was

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going nuts right yeah i went out until

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the the misses i told my wife i said i

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gotta i gotta get to the bottom of this

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because this is like upsetting me

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there seems to be some kind of

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interaction that's taking place and it

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doesn't make sense to me it's not

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rational um and uh you know i'm a

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rational person i believe in even though

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my my field of my expertise isn't about

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science i've always respected science i

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took a lot of science in college i

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started as a meteorology major

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uh in the 80s but then i just jumped

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into writing and stuff because it came

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naturally but that's my dream job you

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like politicians paid liars you know

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yeah i'm like are they ever right i mean

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uh an everyday occurrence all right now

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understand it takes time before my

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doctor he he has to go and says well

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we're going to go down the route because

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the insurance isn't going to pay for it

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unless we have some way of saying that

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audio hallucinations that was the ticket

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i said okay whatever it takes i want to

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get to the bottom so we were looking for

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a brain tumor we were i also had a

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psychological psychiatric ex everything

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including blood work because there was a

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concern that sometimes if you've been

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infected by lyme disease and we're in

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southeastern pennsylvania where you know

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because you live here too yeah and i

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have a cabin in the poconos so we yeah

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yeah there's a risk there's a real risk

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in this area but in advanced stages uh

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lyme disease can also cause

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hallucinations and people hearing voices

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and stuff something i didn't know at the

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time

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but um the doctor we went down every

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avenue trying again to find some prosaic

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you know rational reason and

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it comes back every test is clean i've

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never been healthier blood for

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everything's perfect almost unusually

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because i was never that perfect uh and

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i got my hearing went through ent and i

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can give you all the connections with

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the doctors

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and this is the real deal what i'm

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experiencing is so out there um and i'm

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only able to deal with it by

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compartmentalization right that's the

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key all right so i i'm keeping

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everything in arm's length they've never

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hurt me these things but i started to

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strike up a conversation on a regular

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basis and i and i started to research

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the electronic voice phenomenon and uh

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and and there's a mischievous quality to

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so they started to speak to me on a

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personal level you know i could i send

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them okay my wife she heralds from what

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used to be east germany all right now

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her name is ancha it's an unusual name

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uh over here in the states certainly

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well

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i was able to get so

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relaxed and uh

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have these relationships and say

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interactions with these entities and

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they call themselves alien all right now

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they don't say they're ghosts i'm

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actually have recorders i've shared with

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you privately as well

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and they say they're otherworldly and

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i've tried to pin them down on play you

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know i i do research and stuff but

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anyhow my wife's name is ancha so she's

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there in the library with me and again

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for a little while like for the first

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nine months

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i was tethered to the library as this is

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where the phenomenon would happen uh

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and and it just

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as the doctor was looking at things you

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know i would start i would start getting

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interactions and stuff and then i would

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say okay what's my wife's name and i

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sent it to you you have a

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it sounds like an african-accented male

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saying her name and it also sounds like

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a germanic

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woman saying her name now

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all right the split second that i push

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record

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and when my wife's there and say okay

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what's my wife's name and for the answer

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to be correct

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it is infinitesimally small not

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impossible that a satellite the signal

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bounces out of europe and germany and

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that name comes through

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uh but i started to get this kind of

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uh

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interaction where

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nine times out of ten they will

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they will answer my questions upon

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playback

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they're heard to answer the questions

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before i ask

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them okay now that's mind-blowing and

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i'm just like okay so time as i

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understand it isn't correct as humans we

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look at things in a linear fashion or

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they're telepathic um it's crazy stuff

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it's crazy stuff but

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it really begs the question

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number one and that's all i'm putting on

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the table uh is that

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something's going on here that doesn't

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make sense all right these these

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interactions with and i can't summon

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them it's not like i can right now say

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hey let's talk you know they decide when

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they want to talk and they they came to

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the point where they started to talk

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about the future

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um the election

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of 2020. and i shared some of that with

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you as well yeah yeah we're gonna get to

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playing some of these

349
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there's some crazy stuff and it's scary

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stuff uh so i started to expand my

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research

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i actually interacted with them and that

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the one being

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said

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for me to go get the blood work

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with the doctor so i go and i was like

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sharing this with my family doctor

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saying

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uh

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listen to this this is what they're

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saying and he scratches his head and

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then he confides him he said

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i'm going to tell you

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he said i spoke because he's a very

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spiritual man he said i spoke to god god

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says you have a gift and i made a joke

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out of it and because i'm just like uh i

368
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said is it possible for you to speak to

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god again and tell him that i'd like to

370
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re-gift the sick

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yeah give it to somebody else yeah

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because it's out there um and you know

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and these beings who claim to be alien

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who claim to be otherworldly

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they are mischievous they're tricksters

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they say things they play they play

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games and there's a strange sense of

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humor too

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um

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and i had what's called a session that's

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what we i'm not doing like there's no

382
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hocus pocus there's no special rituals

383
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uh the session

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is like you know okay i'm gonna it's my

385
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lunch break i know usually during my

386
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lunch break they want to make contact

387
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for whatever reason that's like an

388
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opportune time maybe that location's

389
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great uh i'm no longer tethered to that

390
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location though they will interact with

391
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me almost anywhere and everywhere uh

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including the crowded mall out in the

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middle of a park um in in the front seat

394
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of my my van with the kids there you

395
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know because the ringing starts the

396
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iranian starts all i have to do is push

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record all right

398
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uh and and i can ask a question during

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that period when the earring happens

400
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and most of the time upon playback you

401
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will hear that answer to the question

402
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intelligent response directed to the

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question

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uh

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that

406
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again it boggles the mind so like one

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time when the pandemic started

408
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and and and my kids and i we were in the

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school was giving out free food all

410
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right so i'm working from home because i

411
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work at the university that time early

412
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in the pandemic these everybody's home

413
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uh and we went to the school my kids

414
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were sitting in the van with me and you

415
00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:00,959
know the only way i could handle things

416
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,560
with a sense of humor

417
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,839
that ear ringing starts while we're

418
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waiting in line with hundreds of other

419
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people getting ready in the community to

420
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go through the you know drive through

421
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and get their baskets of food

422
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and the hearing aid starts while i'm

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sitting behind the wheel and i look at

424
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my kids and they know something's up and

425
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it's our new normal i mean it's it's

426
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crazy to say that this could be even

427
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normal with anybody and i said kids i

428
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:22,559
gotta pick i want to take this call i

429
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make a joke out of it but i record upon

430
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:27,199
playback

431
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:29,360
there's a voice that clearly says they

432
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don't use the food

433
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okay so i do to my wife but again all

434
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:35,760
this could be you can meet my wife oh

435
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,760
because you live in the year yeah no no

436
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,000
yeah yeah you told me some stuff about

437
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you and your wife yeah yeah and you're

438
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,600
telling her all this stuff she didn't

439
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commit you yeah

440
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:47,520
but she started to participate i'm

441
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saying um

442
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:50,000
we're not like i said i don't claim to

443
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be a medium i'm certainly not a prophet

444
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,919
i mean prophet's testing the test of a

445
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,600
prophet i'm not i have no idea what

446
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,080
these are and i think the strongest just

447
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:00,400
to be clear just to be clear

448
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,080
gary's not tried to cash in on this

449
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:06,000
yeah which is one one of the reasons why

450
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,919
i was more interested in your story

451
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:09,840
because the people that are trying to

452
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:12,000
cash in have you know they have a vested

453
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,440
interest to try to right i i do have a

454
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,280
couple of short documentaries of my

455
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,280
experience uh

456
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,280
and and the total right now of the

457
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:24,240
holiday special is 4.99 you can watch

458
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:25,919
both of them and

459
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,360
no joke you can uh one person who does

460
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,799
will be able to

461
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,720
be entered in a drawing for a person

462
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:35,440
who's going to get a personalized evp uh

463
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,240
that

464
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,559
is part of the package you will get a

465
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:41,039
chance to ask a question again

466
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:42,400
my point was like you're selling

467
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,679
something for five bucks here yes

468
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,400
here's my here's my angle all right it's

469
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,320
uh it costs less than the price of a

470
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:52,480
mcdonald's happy meal and offers

471
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,039
substantially more food for thought you

472
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,919
know i'm just being a joker here because

473
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,440
i want to share more important than

474
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:01,840
making any money all right is to share

475
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,559
that this is real that and i yeah audio

476
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,320
paradox that's what i thought at first

477
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:08,080
too you start looking for patterns the

478
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,200
thing is

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00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,559
i started to reach out to other

480
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,960
researchers all right this became bigger

481
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,960
and bigger um this started like i said

482
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in 2017

483
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and other researchers some of them have

484
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:21,039
ndas all right so they don't want to

485
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,880
come on record some of them i've shared

486
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,400
with you privately it and they're

487
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actually part of a large circle of

488
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,720
investigators um one of them is the

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member of bigelow bob bigelow's team all

490
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,280
right and i shared you uh some of that

491
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,039
course but so you would know this is the

492
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,679
real deal here um and that i would do

493
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,400
some remote viewing for some people

494
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,760
and the thing is

495
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um

496
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,120
the beings call this the game all right

497
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,720
are we playing the game again i have all

498
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:48,720
these recordings and say okay well i

499
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,080
somebody like one example is um they

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have a a park bench

501
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and on the park bench is a can a blue

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can

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00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,280
and

504
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,200
it's out in the middle of this park in

505
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,280
this state all right and the person

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00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,720
would call me with the question right

507
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:06,880
before lunch all right i'd have 10

508
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:09,520
minutes to respond okay so the beings

509
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,679
would and they were right and they would

510
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,840
say battery okay

511
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so

512
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,840
how is it possible again how

513
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,559
this is outside of my my a sphere of

514
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,720
knowledge i have no idea what's sitting

515
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,320
out in a park bench

516
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uh in the middle of this park in in

517
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washington state and you know what's in

518
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a can and within 10 minutes space not

519
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,320
nothing i could google nothing i could

520
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,000
find out there's no cheat sheet there's

521
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,960
no shortcut so it scares me on on one

522
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,120
level to think okay uh and these beings

523
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,720
say that to me they've said they're

524
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,760
watching all of us all of the time

525
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:47,360
and they're not always nice that's a

526
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,400
little creepy

527
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,480
yeah it is it's voyeuristic in a way

528
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,320
that you're just like okay and when i

529
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,159
was going back to that time i was in the

530
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,400
van with the kids and they said they

531
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,880
don't use the food i left there

532
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,720
with the food and i went to my wife i

533
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,080
said there's something we're throwing

534
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,280
away here's there's something we're

535
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,240
doing because i'm being judged uh for

536
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,799
something i don't know what's going on i

537
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,720
said this is free food we would give

538
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:12,400
some of the free food apparently uh to

539
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,520
my parents

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00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,280
um because we didn't want maybe the rice

541
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,640
or something my parents were just

542
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,440
dumping it all right i didn't know that

543
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,640
i didn't know that's why i started

544
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,000
investigating it

545
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:24,720
but what scares me is that the idea that

546
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we're under such scrutiny and and most

547
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,600
of my interactions most of them have

548
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,520
been with entities and they say they're

549
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,120
alien but they're all still mischievous

550
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,440
so i'm not putting any stock in that you

551
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,120
want to know what my winning card hand

552
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,080
is so to speak is the data all right

553
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,080
this shouldn't be happening i am not

554
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,280
going to go down the path of

555
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,520
interpretation i do

556
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,760
obviously with the eclipse that i share

557
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,320
i'm like this is what i hear um but you

558
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,960
know if if a researcher has me do a

559
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,280
remote viewing i do nothing i don't

560
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,840
color it i i send the raw clip directly

561
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,480
to the person and then they decide if

562
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,480
that's the intelligent response that's

563
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,000
the answer they were looking for

564
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,360
they've been right the beings have been

565
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,520
right it scares me to think that this is

566
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,720
real i tell uh people again and again i

567
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,720
wake up in the morning and shake my head

568
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,159
some when this started i thought

569
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,640
something horrible had to happen to me i

570
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,320
i even entertained the idea i have to be

571
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,240
in a coma because there's no maybe a

572
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,080
bump on the head or something yeah

573
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,240
there's no way that i woke up

574
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:27,200
in a world that you know is like this uh

575
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,039
where this is real and yet these beings

576
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:32,480
they are uh

577
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,880
can't they sometimes can be profane they

578
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,080
will challenge

579
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:40,960
uh we i've discussed spirituality i've

580
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,360
discussed politics as you know i've

581
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,679
discussed um i've discussed a lot with

582
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,000
them about their realm i have clips

583
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,840
where they talk about the world they

584
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,480
exist in all right now i call the realm

585
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:53,840
even though they say they're

586
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:56,720
otherworldly and they say it in a way

587
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,480
that sometimes makes me suspicious that

588
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,080
the eclipse that's all free on my

589
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,559
website you can listen to it

590
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,080
otherworldly

591
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,360
the way it's said is almost reptilian or

592
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:11,120
and i know that has connotations i don't

593
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,320
want to go with

594
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,000
and there's an element of

595
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,480
an element of ai too all right that i

596
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,159
feel like

597
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,640
and i worry about you know we talk about

598
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,080
things that and i don't want to be

599
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,600
conspiratorial because some of the what

600
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,400
i have well you're in the right place

601
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,320
what i've encountered some of it could

602
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:31,760
be used by the wrong people uh q a

603
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,760
non-people

604
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,440
non-nonsensical crazy people to try to

605
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,840
justify things that you know

606
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,080
again i i don't want to embrace all i

607
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,720
want to say this is what is is being

608
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,799
this is what the data is this is so i

609
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:46,480
went and i had other researchers and

610
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,840
some of them um there are audio forensic

611
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,440
professionals all right now you're a

612
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,120
professional as well and you have some

613
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,840
of that in the audio field um i i had an

614
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,600
audio engineer i had

615
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,279
two uh audio

616
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,760
forensic professionals um different

617
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:03,600
groups of people looking into this as

618
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,799
well as a couple people who are in the

619
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,360
aerospace industry um and they have the

620
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,320
the the resources i do the technology

621
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,400
the access to things that i can't

622
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,720
possibly be able to do on my own and you

623
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,799
know everything i've done here has been

624
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,880
on a single shoestring budget all right

625
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,960
no real money involved i mean this is

626
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,600
out of my own pocket uh and it's just

627
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,919
like so i need the pro bono help and

628
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,679
yeah i will help do remote viewing for

629
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,960
people if they're going to help me get

630
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:33,120
to the bottom of some of the clips

631
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,720
and so like um the one uh audio forensic

632
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,200
person that i uh engaged as you know

633
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,720
because we've interacted i i sent you

634
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,440
that the link and stuff she does what's

635
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,600
called uh her name amy

636
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,320
subliminal acoustic fingerprinting all

637
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,799
right so i have a clip

638
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,159
and she's doing different clips but i

639
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:53,760
have this one clip and i shared it with

640
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,480
you

641
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,039
um i also have i'm passionate about

642
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,440
pigeons all right so i raise yeah we

643
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,400
talked about that yeah i raise pigeons

644
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,080
from all around the world imported

645
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,960
pigeons but i also um raise

646
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,679
standard white homing pigeons so i so

647
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,440
i'm like okay uh this is this is

648
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,039
interesting uh

649
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,279
the earrings happened and it was in june

650
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,400
of 2020 and i'm like i have too many

651
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,080
white home images let's see what the

652
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,159
entities think about this

653
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:23,919
so

654
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,480
i ask you know should i sell my white

655
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,159
pigeons

656
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,520
okay

657
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:31,279
upon playback

658
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,840
a loud and emphatic emphatic evp

659
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,760
saying sell them again that's a freebie

660
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,760
you can go check it out the website

661
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,640
uh my website you can show that later uh

662
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,840
it's just like

663
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,799
okay

664
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,720
that that was a special clip because i

665
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,400
yet i have been passionate about pigeons

666
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,880
so it's just a hobby you know um more

667
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,640
than a hobby if you're passionate about

668
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,000
and

669
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,600
i had

670
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,400
this uh electronic the subliminal

671
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,000
acoustic fingerprint

672
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:01,600
where they go and they use bleeding edge

673
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,360
computer software to peel away layers of

674
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,840
acoustic data that's contained within a

675
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,760
seven to ten second clip remember most

676
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:12,000
of my interactions are less than 20

677
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,760
seconds all right

678
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,679
so these are really short interactions

679
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,640
but there's so much apparently embedded

680
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:22,000
in a clip so that pigeon clip where you

681
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,200
have the

682
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:25,840
evp which is still audible and evp where

683
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,559
the entity says sell them telling me

684
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,559
intelligent response to

685
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:32,240
my question whether i should sell my

686
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,440
white home in pigeons and again that

687
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:36,000
comes before i even ask the question

688
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,600
that gets analyzed they peeled away

689
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,520
layers they found a whole

690
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,840
subliminal conversation going on about

691
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:43,120
my pigeons

692
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,640
with the word homer

693
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,159
all right how much do you think he'll

694
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,720
get and this was this was again this was

695
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,279
inaudible this was on a lower level

696
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,480
beneath beneath the evp

697
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,760
it's frightening to think that there are

698
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:57,200
so many possible you start going down

699
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,279
the rabbit hole so many possible uh

700
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,440
so much going on in such a

701
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,159
concentrated little clip and to think

702
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,320
that other conversations are happening

703
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:11,520
about me on a personal level

704
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,400
hey

705
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,039
it just boggles the mind so yeah i'm at

706
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,640
a loss for words a lot of times i'm not

707
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:18,240
going to talk for hours about this but

708
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,360
it's

709
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,600
some crazy stuff and i've shared just

710
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,760
the tip of the iceberg i mean there's so

711
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,480
much when people say well uh yet these

712
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,840
beings apparently have something to do

713
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,360
with dead people too they've told me

714
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,640
that all right

715
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,120
and they they

716
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,640
i don't know what this means beyond

717
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,919
when they when they make intelligent

718
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,320
responses sometimes like if the answer

719
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:42,159
is about an animal all right this goes

720
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,279
down crazy

721
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,320
animal let's say a pig or a frog

722
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,399
when they make the response the correct

723
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,840
response all right like we had a uh

724
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,559
a pet rabbit that died okay

725
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,000
now it's a pet

726
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,240
well the entities i asked them so what

727
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,320
was the name of our rabbit that passed

728
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,840
all right you listen to it play back

729
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,159
before i ask the question a loud and

730
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,559
clear cuddles right but it's said in a

731
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,559
way that sounds like a rabbit i have

732
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,559
eclipses sound like when the answer's a

733
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,960
frog it sounds like a frog a pig it

734
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:14,799
sounds like a pig there's a sense of

735
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,559
humor strange perverse humor even um

736
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,799
like um and here that now i'm going to

737
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,440
totally totally um you know be

738
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,039
vulnerable here but this is the truth i

739
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,159
want you guys to understand this the

740
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,320
environment is truth it's so outlandish

741
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,760
again the only way i can handle this is

742
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,279
compartmentalization i have a normal

743
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,279
life i only devote so much time to this

744
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,320
but this is some super wu crazy stuff so

745
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,440
um

746
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:39,360
all right so i'm sick right before i had

747
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,320
a session

748
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,240
and that's with an interaction where you

749
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,440
kind of like this is when they're going

750
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,240
to do their thing and make my ear

751
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,000
strangely ring

752
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:50,240
i was i had some food that made me very

753
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,200
gassy

754
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,240
okay

755
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,080
so

756
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,480
flatulence yes and i ripped a big one

757
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,279
all right there's no one around so

758
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,360
i get ready for the session

759
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,679
upon the recording you have a female

760
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,039
voice saying

761
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,360
he let us stinker

762
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,880
okay

763
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,600
so

764
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,880
concerned about the minutia of what

765
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:16,080
we're doing that they even know

766
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,480
that i ripped one i farted right there

767
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,559
just just just

768
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,159
wrap your brain around just for a minute

769
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,640
it is so beyond the pale there's a sense

770
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,919
of humor that is that is like okay

771
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,760
maybe that is the common denominator

772
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,600
that is the bridge that we can use to

773
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,679
build some kind of interaction that has

774
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,440
substance because they say where they

775
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,720
are they don't eat all right um and they

776
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,520
did they i i guess i sent you some clips

777
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,600
uh prior to this interview i mean and i

778
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,600
have all the raw clips believe me i am

779
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,880
willing to put it on the table my role

780
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,000
clips

781
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,600
everything that i have and then there's

782
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,679
over fifteen hundred and going eighteen

783
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,200
hundred of them now actually yeah and

784
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,440
just for the benefit of the audience

785
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,360
gary will be giving me some of the raw

786
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,520
recordings that we're then gonna analyze

787
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,520
and then have him come back sometime and

788
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,600
and talk about the raw recordings

789
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,679
absolutely i will i may be able to

790
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,279
enhance or

791
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,720
pull additional data from his data you

792
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,640
got i'm interested in doing that but for

793
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,480
tonight we're going to be playing his

794
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,200
yes somewhat edited or you know he he

795
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,200
has to do some editing and put these

796
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,760
things together so that he makes sense

797
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,600
and we'll be uh playing some of those

798
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,279
for you guys tonight

799
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,240
but we will also then be uh taking the

800
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,480
raw recordings

801
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,320
as well as he can give them to me that

802
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:38,640
sounds dirty

803
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,919
gary's gonna give me give me it raw okay

804
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,320
you're gonna be giving it to me raw

805
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,000
and then i am gonna take those

806
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:48,080
recordings i'm gonna load them into my

807
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,880
uh

808
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,720
digital audio workstation software i'm

809
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,799
going to see if i can

810
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,840
make them clearer cleaner in some cases

811
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,080
enhance you know compress

812
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,240
you know make louder

813
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,440
because

814
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,080
with several other people that did evps

815
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,840
i have done that and

816
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,919
there's a huge difference between edited

817
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,720
and unedited sometimes the unedited it's

818
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,840
very

819
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,399
you know that that effect where

820
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,480
is your mind just filling in the blanks

821
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,559
or is there a pattern that your mind is

822
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,120
making out of nonsense but in my

823
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,720
experience once you

824
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,000
you know

825
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,240
maximize the loudness

826
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,799
maybe eq add a little bit of clarity to

827
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,519
it which is really not much enhancement

828
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,760
the what is being said becomes

829
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,000
incredibly clear and easier to

830
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,919
distinguish so i'm interested in doing

831
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,720
that yeah thank you i mean i said i have

832
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,559
nothing to hide i i want to get to the

833
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,279
bottom of this mystery i do uh as

834
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,799
another hobby i like to play chess i

835
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,320
like to solve puzzles

836
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:50,960
the electronic voice phenomenon is an

837
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,919
enigma worthy of investigation i think

838
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,480
there's a i think there's a potential as

839
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,360
well

840
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,120
and i don't want to scare people because

841
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,200
i know in some of my interviews before

842
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,519
radio station stuff people get scared

843
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,720
and the audience and they don't

844
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,360
understand something um and you know i

845
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,279
was gonna ask you because you mentioned

846
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,000
a bunch of times that they are uh

847
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:14,000
they are they have a sense of humor

848
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,440
there's someone like

849
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,760
pranking you or being tricksters because

850
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,120
there's a whole

851
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,640
people

852
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,159
there's several cases i could think of

853
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,640
where somebody was getting phone calls

854
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,279
from what sounded like a robot voice

855
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,880
that was

856
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,120
pranking them and and like being a

857
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,440
trickster yeah so there's almost this

858
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:37,360
there's this belief that there are these

859
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,399
trickster entities somewhere in the

860
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,960
ether out there that right enjoy

861
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,279
interacting with and messing with humans

862
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:47,120
and this might be one of those cases

863
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,080
where

864
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,320
some entity or group of entities has

865
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:52,720
targeted gary and just said let's mess

866
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,039
with this guy right

867
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,600
and a dovetail segue right from what you

868
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,799
said targeted now again i have a very

869
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,120
rational approach to life so this is

870
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,600
something that to me is a real challenge

871
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,679
so i try to say okay well and i don't

872
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,760
want to again sound conspiratorial but i

873
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,000
do believe especially in the era of

874
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,559
havana syndrome i do believe that there

875
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,120
could be some case to be made for some

876
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:20,320
people being targeted um with microwaves

877
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,039
or something uh ultrasonic or infrasonic

878
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,039
there is a potential and i try to look

879
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,559
at that as well one of the people i

880
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,279
enlisted to evaluate the clips

881
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,799
her specialty

882
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,679
is

883
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,440
you know people who are targeted

884
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,519
individuals who claim to be targeted so

885
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,120
she goes through and she's able to

886
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,320
dissect the the audio around that if

887
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,679
there is uh the potential for um maybe a

888
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,919
nefarious actor or you know the group

889
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,399
that is uh doing things experiments on p

890
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,640
on american citizens um and maybe

891
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,559
they're not maybe they're cia i mean

892
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,880
although you know again i'm not pointing

893
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,880
the finger at anyone i don't feel like

894
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,519
it's a targeted thing um and the idea

895
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,720
that these

896
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,399
could these interactions if i was

897
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,600
targeted could um somehow anticipate my

898
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,359
questions and my thinking so then they

899
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,280
could answer in

900
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,119
prior to when i asked the question i

901
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,599
mean i'm open-minded enough to say that

902
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:17,280
is a possibility

903
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,399
that maybe

904
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:21,200
the whole thing is uh gray on deception

905
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,159
uh

906
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,240
and it is not because again they claim

907
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,240
to be alien all right i have the clip

908
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,720
they claim to be otherworldly they claim

909
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,480
that they don't eat where they are could

910
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,879
this just be something part of a larger

911
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,359
uh psyops and everything going on with

912
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,720
satellites and

913
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,960
the potential is there i mean i i i i

914
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,520
know back in the 70s you go back uh

915
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:44,000
they're definitely the cia 60s and 70s

916
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,200
they had some

917
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,040
some projects going on that relate to

918
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,280
some some crazy uh stuff like this or

919
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,480
seemingly crazy um but yeah there's a

920
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,399
there's a thing there's a there's a

921
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,280
thing called bone speakers

922
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,040
and there's a there's an electronic

923
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,680
method by which you can beam

924
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,160
to a specific individual

925
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,800
audio that only they're going to hear

926
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,880
right in other words if you had a crowd

927
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,200
of people it works with i think it works

928
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,720
with like a laser

929
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,960
to do the targeting of the individual

930
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,520
but and then they load the

931
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,640
audio onto the light beam which is you

932
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,640
can make a light beam visible or

933
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,720
invisible it doesn't have to be visible

934
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,880
and they could in a crowd full of people

935
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,119
they could just target one person

936
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,040
shoot this beam at them with the audio

937
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,720
signal loaded onto the beam at their

938
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,680
head

939
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,839
and then they're they're going to hear

940
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,160
things that no one else in the room is

941
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,119
going to hear it's bizarro but this is

942
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,800
some of the technology that's available

943
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,520
and out there but that would not explain

944
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,920
an audio recorder picking it up

945
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,560
yeah and that's that's it and so i i i

946
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,400
and have you tried different

947
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,280
have you tried different audio recorders

948
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:58,640
like recorders and i've actually um this

949
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,079
this model is an alcatel a205g phone

950
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:04,240
track phone right now this is an

951
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,599
old-school device

952
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,280
these are great because they still have

953
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,880
a little bit of white noise some of the

954
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,640
modern smartphones obviously the new

955
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,560
algorithms and stuff totally eliminate

956
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,920
white noise uh so i've had researchers

957
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,880
have me

958
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,599
put

959
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,680
phones so many meters apart different

960
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,599
makes and models

961
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,800
have people simultaneously record all

962
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,280
right the newer smartphones will not

963
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,359
pick up the signal i will not pick up

964
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,480
the message

965
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,760
older models like this one yes they do

966
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,520
and so this is

967
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,599
i say this is a prop but what the phone

968
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,480
has my cherished phone at home uh that

969
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,200
has most of the the evps that you know i

970
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,200
it's like wow these are really cool and

971
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:46,640
you know

972
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,800
key but these also do it these when the

973
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,480
signal happens i'm able to pick up i

974
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,520
have evps from uh what about because

975
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,839
what about because i have

976
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,599
you know those old tape recorders that

977
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,359
would sit on a table and you put the

978
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,760
tape in it you yeah

979
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,839
and they were like this big by this yeah

980
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,599
yeah you know

981
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,200
do would those do it

982
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,280
yeah i haven't used those um because i

983
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,960
got a bunch of those i just happen to

984
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,280
have a box full of those don't

985
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,000
way way back in the day people use those

986
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,560
with old 8-bit computers so for some

987
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,680
reason

988
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,599
just in case i ever need an 8-bit

989
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,680
computer i have a box of those in my

990
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,839
garage awesome and i was thinking of

991
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,119
going

992
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,520
the last time that we did a show on evps

993
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,839
with my friend dan we we planned on all

994
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,200
these things and we didn't get to them i

995
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,200
was going to go put batteries in all

996
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:38,800
these things make sure they work get

997
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,760
tapes

998
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,359
and i was going to go and just place the

999
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,760
tape recorders all around the graveyard

1000
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,040
and then i would be there in the

1001
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,200
graveyard asking questions

1002
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,720
and see what happens i'm still going to

1003
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,720
try to do that right but i'd be

1004
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,359
interested in doing the same thing with

1005
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:55,440
you somewhere and say because you're a

1006
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,480
magnet

1007
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,520
you know of this stuff absolutely

1008
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,200
and it's possible i mean other people

1009
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,200
have said oh you're a medium and i've

1010
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,960
had people and i'm gonna

1011
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,280
i'm gonna again uh preempt any

1012
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,440
discussion of this i mean people ask me

1013
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,200
they've had a son commit suicide or

1014
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,839
something would you please try to cut no

1015
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,160
i don't i don't do it i'm not gonna

1016
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,320
think that's ethical yeah yeah and it's

1017
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,359
not and it's just i i number one i i

1018
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,760
don't feel comfortable um

1019
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:26,160
i think that it's uh it's something that

1020
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,280
you know

1021
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,760
somebody died they passed um i don't

1022
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:32,480
want to involve myself in that um

1023
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,280
it's just

1024
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,800
but it has happened more than once

1025
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,720
already people read about because i've

1026
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,320
been in the papers and stuff i've tried

1027
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,480
to the grassroots up approach taking

1028
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,880
this outlandish message to the people

1029
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,599
now uh you know there are obstacles in

1030
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,839
the way i mean i went just uh just over

1031
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,200
a month ago i was meeting with josh

1032
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,720
gates you know the discovery channel

1033
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,560
travel channel uh

1034
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,960
he's he's incredible and so there are

1035
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,560
people out there who have the resources

1036
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,920
again that's what i'm trying to do

1037
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,599
trying to get the message to the people

1038
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,920
but i want to be data driven you know we

1039
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,640
all know that the phenomenon is real all

1040
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,960
right between uf because the people in

1041
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,079
uf ufo twitter ufology i mean i interact

1042
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,160
with some of them they actually help me

1043
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,320
some of the report uh reports that i

1044
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,200
have uh listed uh on with the second

1045
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,000
documentary actually are done um by um

1046
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,520
one of the people and you a prominent

1047
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:24,160
person in ufo twitter um

1048
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,800
uh so it is uh you know these

1049
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,040
connections have worked because i'm not

1050
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,200
asking for money they're not asking i

1051
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,359
said i can do you a favor if you have

1052
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,040
let's say i'm someone that you're

1053
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,359
looking for which i did and you're aware

1054
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,839
of that um i will i will ask the

1055
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,680
entities if they know where this person

1056
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,359
is who's on the run

1057
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:46,320
uh so it is something that is doable um

1058
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,440
but again

1059
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:50,240
it's not about me and i want to go back

1060
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,520
to this since people are like well it's

1061
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,359
you you're the one no i'm the messenger

1062
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:56,240
in a sense um i didn't ask to be

1063
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,920
involved in this um it fell into my lap

1064
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,880
and and there are days and it's just

1065
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:06,000
uh it it's so crazy and i believe i

1066
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,280
haven't even scratched the surface in

1067
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:09,599
this conversation i mean it goes so far

1068
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:16,950
beings that for the most part are

1069
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,079
condescending at times cruel

1070
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:23,599
all right who look at humanity in in a

1071
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,200
we're down on the totem pole um and and

1072
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,520
i have done i i've been offended by some

1073
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,960
other answers i'm going to tell you

1074
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,880
again making myself quite vulnerable

1075
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,520
here but you know i want to be genuine

1076
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,680
all right so i got offended by some of

1077
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,200
the things that they were saying the

1078
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,440
answers to questions um and the

1079
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,000
vulgarity sometimes used

1080
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,720
and and i i can cuss like a sailor too

1081
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,319
the thing is i was just like that was

1082
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,599
inappropriate

1083
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,680
and so i said wait i don't have to deal

1084
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,480
with this negativity anymore you know i

1085
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,000
can't understand when the signal happens

1086
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,000
i can never understand what it is in my

1087
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,599
ear i only hear the noise so without the

1088
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:04,880
pushing record to translate that

1089
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,240
it all i get is an annoying noise and so

1090
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,560
i said i said

1091
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,920
uh i'm not going to indulge this

1092
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,920
negativity anymore all right

1093
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,400
this continues you know i have a life

1094
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,960
and you know it's not about you

1095
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,400
and

1096
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,240
the next eight recordings like again in

1097
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,839
person because you don't live that far

1098
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,240
away the next eight recordings i have

1099
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,160
apologies i have

1100
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,000
imagine again i think this is all part

1101
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,680
of a manipulation

1102
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,880
but

1103
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:35,760
we're sorry i'm so sorry we can you

1104
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,119
imagine invisible entities

1105
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,680
telling me they're sorry that's bizarre

1106
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,839
it's beyond it's it's so insane and it's

1107
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,680
ludicrous maybe they enjoy that

1108
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,359
interaction and they were afraid that

1109
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,119
you would ignore them

1110
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,040
yeah and i i talked to somebody who had

1111
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:53,760
a similar experience to you and he told

1112
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:54,560
me

1113
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,240
whatever the entities were that he

1114
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:00,319
believes he was interacting with so he

1115
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,920
decided that even if he heard them

1116
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,160
he first of all he stopped recording

1117
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,599
because they pissed him off or they

1118
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,160
scared him and second of all he decided

1119
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,480
that even if he believed he heard them

1120
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,319
he would just ignore them so he ignored

1121
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,040
them for like a month and they

1122
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,440
plead it with him to interact with them

1123
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,760
again much like your situation it's

1124
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,359
crazy and

1125
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,720
again i can't emphasize for your

1126
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,119
audience enough it's it's so outlandish

1127
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,040
i wouldn't believe i had tuned into this

1128
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,960
i would say that guy's insane all right

1129
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,200
yeah that's a little out there gary even

1130
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,040
for me it's a little out there but i'm

1131
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,880
bringing it to the audience yeah

1132
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,599
yeah

1133
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,560
and i'm telling you if i admit myself

1134
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,560
five years ago before this happened that

1135
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,720
me met with me today would say what on

1136
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,960
earth are you talking about because i've

1137
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,720
never believed in hocus pocus yeah i

1138
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,800
believe in god i was raised christian

1139
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,040
but you know it's just like the idea of

1140
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:56,079
uh you know god god is in god's realm

1141
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,440
and we're here and we deal with our

1142
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,560
problems and

1143
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:00,319
for the most part you know we're left

1144
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,440
alone

1145
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,040
this is something totally different

1146
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,040
where you have

1147
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,720
beings who

1148
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,440
seem beyond interested they're needy all

1149
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,680
right they're they're incomplete without

1150
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,920
being involved in our lives but it does

1151
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,680
make me worry that there's

1152
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,440
an adversarial relationship with our

1153
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,839
species i'm putting it on the table

1154
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,680
because i worry that maybe they've

1155
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,760
whispered in the ears on a subconscious

1156
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,480
or a subliminal level throughout

1157
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,400
humanity's history and cause people to

1158
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,079
make decisions

1159
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,040
decisions that only hurt our species or

1160
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,040
or for maybe maybe we're nothing but

1161
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,960
toys or some kind of entertainment to

1162
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,079
them i have felt that's crazy the one

1163
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,000
the one if you go to my website as you

1164
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,839
have and there's a clip on there with

1165
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,920
the entity

1166
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,839
because it was a part of a series but

1167
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,440
i'm only putting the one on there where

1168
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,359
the entity says

1169
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,359
we're sorry

1170
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,200
and then there's a space

1171
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,880
of silence this is all they're in

1172
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,480
recording the same recording again i

1173
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,839
have the rule file you can analyze it

1174
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:01,200
out the wazoo you're going to say oh my

1175
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,240
god what does this mean i don't know

1176
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,240
what it means and then there's a space

1177
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,800
and then they say you're our favorite

1178
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,880
what the heck now i i took it as a

1179
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,359
obvious manipulation all right because

1180
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,720
i'm nobody special i'm a regular joe you

1181
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,720
know i'm happily married i got great

1182
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,319
kids you know

1183
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,920
i don't need this in my life and then

1184
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,800
you have this game being played uh where

1185
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,160
they're needy

1186
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,480
and then they say you're our favorite

1187
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,480
and they just say it in a way like i'm

1188
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,200
sorry we're sorry you're our favorite

1189
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:32,880
like

1190
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:35,760
entertainment but beyond that maybe even

1191
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,520
pets toys toys to these beings and and i

1192
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,040
asked them one time i said so what do

1193
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,680
you want and again i can share every one

1194
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,160
of these clips i will stand on the data

1195
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:48,240
and i'm not interpretation don't get me

1196
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,960
wrong

1197
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,480
accuracy interpretation that's a whole

1198
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,280
different ballgame i'm saying these

1199
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:55,119
interactions should not be possible

1200
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,240
according to our understanding of

1201
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,280
science

1202
00:45:05,829 --> 00:44:58,640
and

1203
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,839
everything

1204
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,800
okay

1205
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,319
what is that

1206
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:10,560
you want my soul and can i ask you

1207
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,760
because you you ever mentioned

1208
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,880
let me ask you because you mentioned it

1209
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,599
you mentioned your wife right yes and

1210
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,160
and that your wife

1211
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,000
went to this place where you were having

1212
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,440
this interactions

1213
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,079
correct in the in the library yes did

1214
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,400
she audibly hear the same things that

1215
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,440
you audibly hear or did she only know

1216
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:34,960
so

1217
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,200
only you audibly hear this stuff yes

1218
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,119
only i hear the signal she can be

1219
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,280
sitting right next to me all right she

1220
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,440
can push record that's not the point the

1221
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,599
point is when the signal happens it's

1222
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,720
available

1223
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
to be recorded but she can't and no one

1224
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,400
else can hear it we'd use different

1225
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,480
meters because i thought the same thing

1226
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,839
i said was this something that

1227
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,520
somebody's beaming you know is this

1228
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,359
something that you know

1229
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:00,480
it was just like

1230
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,440
to me

1231
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,440
i believe in occam's razor right the

1232
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,280
same thing the simplest explanation

1233
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,440
usually the right one and you again i

1234
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,200
joke with my my brother as well the

1235
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,760
simplest explanation is i'm crazy

1236
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,359
that's it you know

1237
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,839
because it's gotta be but but it's it's

1238
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,520
not and so i there's a sense of

1239
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,040
disappointment because it'd be nice to

1240
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,440
just have this figured out i i've told

1241
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,280
different debunkers and there are people

1242
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,480
out there and that's their job and i

1243
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,480
understand i wanna i want people to you

1244
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
know challenge me to you know i want the

1245
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,400
truth i want to stand on the truth

1246
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,520
i gotta say

1247
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,920
gary was i told him i'm like just so you

1248
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,720
know

1249
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,160
i tend to

1250
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,480
slant to be very skeptical of many

1251
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:40,640
things though i have an interest i have

1252
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,640
an interest but i generally go about

1253
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,119
looking at these things and going

1254
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,119
what can i eliminate here as a

1255
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,400
possibility right before we jump to some

1256
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,520
crazy interdimensional beings that

1257
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,839
picked gary to communicate with you know

1258
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,160
yeah and and that's it so that occam's

1259
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:01,839
right a lot of people say that some of

1260
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,280
this stuff is caused by baby monitors

1261
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,119
aaron weird

1262
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,400
radio anomalies or you know yeah and and

1263
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,720
i i would love to have

1264
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,800
this prozac reason so that i could sleep

1265
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,280
better at night believe me um well we

1266
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,400
can help you with that because i have

1267
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,520
emf i have emf meters and i have we went

1268
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,680
out we had a lot of equipment yeah we

1269
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,079
went out got that stuff too i again i

1270
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,920
want to know

1271
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:29,920
what this is i mean i i've been studying

1272
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,960
it for four years i don't understand how

1273
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,480
and the other researchers i don't

1274
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,400
understand remote viewing and i try to

1275
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,240
say oh maybe there's a collective

1276
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,599
consciousness you know you can get more

1277
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,720
exotic and

1278
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,880
and we're part of a universal mind and

1279
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,880
of course you know by being tapped into

1280
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:46,720
the universal mind i can connect with

1281
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,359
somebody who can see what's on that

1282
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,599
table in the park in washington state on

1283
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,839
the other side of the the country to me

1284
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,079
that's just it's out the more exotic it

1285
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,319
becomes the more unlikely all right the

1286
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,440
same thing so i i'm like okay so the

1287
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,200
rational thing

1288
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,280
if i ca if i can eliminate

1289
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,359
audio paradolia which i have because

1290
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,480
i've used

1291
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,319
the computer software that's being used

1292
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,160
by some of the researchers now

1293
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,760
is now i understand you you're a

1294
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,440
computer person's you know the person

1295
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,319
who programs the computer there is uh

1296
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,880
you know a certain bias no matter what

1297
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,359
right even random numbers we we can you

1298
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,599
know random number generators a lot of

1299
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,119
those aren't real they're not based on

1300
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,119
something that's completely random you

1301
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,520
can have the one website um and they

1302
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,839
they base it on static from

1303
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:35,040
thunderstorms and stuff in the

1304
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,480
atmosphere that becomes the thing that

1305
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,400
they tie into to make it random

1306
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,559
otherwise it's like pseudo-random the

1307
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,240
same thing here um

1308
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,599
all i want to do is get to the bottom of

1309
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,720
the mystery

1310
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,200
there's something about this that seems

1311
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,319
to me as a layperson all right as a

1312
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,839
layperson

1313
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,839
who is not you know

1314
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,119
technical

1315
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,480
that

1316
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,240
the beings and i call them beings and

1317
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,599
i'm doing it out of you know the

1318
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,359
goodness of my heart because i have no

1319
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,440
proof that they are beings all i have

1320
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,319
proof is that i can take my phone or any

1321
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,400
of these phones i can put it in a

1322
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,440
faraday pouch and seal it and put my

1323
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,520
hand on top through the pouch

1324
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,280
to push record when it happens and the

1325
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,960
signal funny i was going to ask that

1326
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:18,720
because i have i i have something called

1327
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,000
privacy pouches yeah this is not

1328
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,319
which will block any electronic signals

1329
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,880
coming in or out so i wanted to that

1330
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,160
would be one of the experiments that i

1331
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,240
wanted to do is i wanted to put your

1332
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,520
your devices inside my privacy pouches

1333
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,440
that make sure no

1334
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,119
electronic

1335
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,480
it's so weird we're having this weird

1336
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,800
interference here yeah

1337
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,000
a bunch of times we're gonna have to

1338
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,319
check that stuff for evp voices because

1339
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,440
that keeps happening i don't hear

1340
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,640
anything this is you know this is my

1341
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,760
right ear i know it looks like it's my

1342
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,920
left leg okay but yeah that was one of

1343
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,200
the things i was going to suggest that

1344
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,200
we block the you put it in a faraday

1345
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,880
cage or block the device from

1346
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,119
electronics coming in around and if it

1347
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,359
still happens it's much more compelling

1348
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,040
to me because yes

1349
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:02,960
it couldn't be radio waves or baby

1350
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,480
monitors in the area or seeing audios or

1351
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,319
anything like that

1352
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,760
anything you want to do i mean again the

1353
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,960
tests i'm again i'm all about the truth

1354
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:15,119
and the truth is something weird's going

1355
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,920
on

1356
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,240
uh and i put it in a faraday pouch we

1357
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,160
still get the communication the

1358
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:21,280
interaction

1359
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,240
uh

1360
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,880
it just doesn't make any sense so

1361
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,280
i'm not one to say because science is

1362
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,079
self-correcting self-adjusting you know

1363
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,000
the the the concepts that we have of

1364
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,559
maybe uh time and stuff

1365
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,079
at some point in the future will be

1366
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,960
antiquated and obviously wrong but it

1367
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,119
will always be self-adjusting so i

1368
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,040
believe i believe

1369
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:44,400
that uh

1370
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:45,200
that

1371
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,800
i can stand on all right it's the data

1372
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,200
that this doesn't make sense

1373
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,839
that these beings are able to anticipate

1374
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,839
again i'm using beings in the general

1375
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,920
sense whether they are energies whether

1376
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,079
because i mean my co-workers here know

1377
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,440
what i do on the side

1378
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,319
so you're the nut you're the nut at work

1379
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,839
gary that nut nutty's talking to the

1380
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,440
aliens again

1381
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,359
in the library over there

1382
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,119
they know that as long as i don't raise

1383
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,960
my hand and say this is where i work and

1384
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,559
make it a an issue at work they don't

1385
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:19,200
care sure yeah and my supervisor's like

1386
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,400
she's all for she's watched the

1387
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,200
documentaries this is exciting stuff

1388
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:24,720
and i said i said you know if i could

1389
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,240
hang my hat if i can hang my hat on

1390
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,760
this that

1391
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,280
there's something going on here that's

1392
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,200
novel that's enough i'm going i'm going

1393
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,000
to reel in like i said it's almost like

1394
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,920
on my fishing line there's this trophy

1395
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,520
fish all right i'm going to take my time

1396
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,680
i'm in no rush i want the data and

1397
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,640
that's why when my documentary says it's

1398
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,119
called subterranean seance the evidence

1399
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:49,440
speaks right it speaks it speaks for

1400
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,960
itself all right

1401
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,559
let me ask you i had some other

1402
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,319
questions yes please

1403
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,599
okay

1404
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,760
when you you said that it used to be

1405
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,200
only at this library that you were

1406
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,640
getting these messages now you're saying

1407
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,160
it could be it could be literally

1408
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,880
anywhere yeah you could come like let's

1409
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,559
let's say for example you came to my

1410
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,079
home yep because that would be a

1411
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,760
comfortable place to do it and i got all

1412
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,000
these tape recorders digital recorders i

1413
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,920
could lay out 20 different recorders and

1414
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,599
put you in the middle of them sounds

1415
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,760
good you could get you think you could

1416
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,280
get the same effect oh yeah what

1417
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,720
happened with me watching you yes

1418
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,359
several years ago and this was um

1419
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,280
it came to me i was like man every time

1420
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,040
i have to go to the library

1421
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,599
i ask them and can you just kind of

1422
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,839
ballsy i said it's all right i said is

1423
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,839
there a way that we don't have to limit

1424
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,720
me to weekdays during my lunch break in

1425
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,440
the library i said if you're real

1426
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,760
and then the answer was yes we can come

1427
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,240
with you and i said okay so i'm no

1428
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,559
longer tethered to the library here uh

1429
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,760
so it's happening do you think that's a

1430
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,160
bad idea if they're demonic though

1431
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,920
you're like yeah just come hang out with

1432
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,240
me every day right home party come

1433
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:59,119
forward no uh so you've you've read some

1434
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,839
of

1435
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,040
the stuff with skin walker the

1436
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,319
hitchhiker uh idea these things follow

1437
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,680
attached themselves

1438
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,839
i invited the vampires

1439
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,839
and and there's part of me that thinks

1440
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,000
that there's a potential

1441
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,040
again maybe i'm just again stretching it

1442
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,720
i don't want to go beyond the data all

1443
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,960
right but the potential

1444
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,680
that these are some kind of psychic

1445
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,480
vampires that they feed on emotion

1446
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,200
energy uh but i don't get stressed i

1447
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,599
mean i think maybe because i just i know

1448
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,680
i found a few other weaknesses which you

1449
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,680
can't i'll share privately there are

1450
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:35,839
things about them that

1451
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,640
they

1452
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,720
number one i know how to get them so

1453
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,760
that they're

1454
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,160
they'll stop doing what they do if it's

1455
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,760
annoying without having to say i'm not

1456
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,559
going to talk to you anymore um

1457
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,800
but they they're they're such needy

1458
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,359
beings when i say that they they need to

1459
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,200
be

1460
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,520
acknowledged they want what they wanted

1461
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,800
from me which i am obviously giving them

1462
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,359
is recognition they want people

1463
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,839
general public to know that they exist

1464
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,400
that's and it's crazy because one of the

1465
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,319
early interviews i had and i said i'm

1466
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,839
going to tell you it makes me think of

1467
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,480
horton hears the who dr seuss i said i'm

1468
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:14,880
not stupid i'm that stupid elephant

1469
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,280
running around trying to convince

1470
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
all the other animals in the forest hey

1471
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,960
i hear something you know i mean

1472
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,880
literally figured and it's just like and

1473
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,280
i said i said i said dad what a terrible

1474
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,119
job at it is that who put me on this

1475
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,359
mission because you know i'm just like i

1476
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,760
don't know why and then i've asked them

1477
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,240
again and they say again you're our

1478
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,240
favorite and i said come on that's such

1479
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,400
a manipulative thing to say so everybody

1480
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,359
wants to feel special i'm aware of that

1481
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,599
i don't believe i'm special maybe that

1482
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:45,440
makes me i don't know maybe because i

1483
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:49,119
mean my wife said oh no you're too

1484
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,880
whatever i mean i'm just like you know

1485
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,520
i used to and i know

1486
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,880
my wife she's like oh don't talk about

1487
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,640
that i used to be in a band in the 90s

1488
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,200
and stuff i used to enjoy uh bathing in

1489
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,359
in in the recognition of when you're on

1490
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,040
stage or when hearing yourself on the

1491
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,280
radio a couple radio stations uh isn't

1492
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,880
that funny though i did the same thing

1493
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:10,960
but isn't it funny like after kids you

1494
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:16,710
i've had two i've had plenty i've had

1495
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,240
more than any man should have so i

1496
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,760
so all that aside um you know i i don't

1497
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,760
think they're really able to stroke my

1498
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,319
ego by by saying certain things because

1499
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,040
i'm like [\h__\h] it i don't give a damn i

1500
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:34,319
mean you need something from me i i'm

1501
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,520
only going to give you 10 of my time my

1502
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,640
awake time uh to to

1503
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,480
figure out what you want to do with this

1504
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:45,200
but it's crazy it's crazy stuff

1505
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,960
uh you know when you're talking about

1506
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,680
beings making jokes of flatulence and at

1507
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,440
this but other times

1508
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:53,359
talking about things that you know

1509
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:56,640
are vulgar uh profane

1510
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,240
religious i i tested on them one time i

1511
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,400
read the lord's prayer

1512
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,240
because i wanted to see is there you

1513
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,559
know what some people call demons here

1514
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,400
um so i'm reading it

1515
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,480
and the earrings starts

1516
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,960
all right the strange coded crystalline

1517
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,280
almost insect sound as i'm saying i push

1518
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,240
record can hear my voice

1519
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,480
and then upon playback

1520
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,119
you hear the voice interrupt i don't

1521
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:25,119
think so all right

1522
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:25,920
like

1523
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,960
consider it you know um

1524
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,799
poetry in many ways you know talk about

1525
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,319
what i'm saying

1526
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,400
i i went to school and that's no matter

1527
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,240
what even if you don't believe the bible

1528
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,480
it's part of the influence on western

1529
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,720
culture so i can say from literature you

1530
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:44,319
know from a literary standpoint this is

1531
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:45,200
important

1532
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:49,280
and to find that kind of uh of like okay

1533
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:50,079
no

1534
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,200
that was the attitude and i'm like ah

1535
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,799
this is so i don't really need to deal

1536
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,400
with this i mean

1537
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,240
you can create these little games and

1538
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,000
that's what i think they love games and

1539
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,079
they love they love um

1540
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:06,319
because when when the united states

1541
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:10,240
uh i was doing a remote view for

1542
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:11,119
uh

1543
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,440
group and can't say this person's name

1544
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,920
and we were getting ready to um

1545
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,319
we we struck and we knew iran was gonna

1546
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,440
strike back

1547
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,119
all right so you knew that night

1548
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:27,200
when the missiles were flying and our

1549
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,799
boys were huddling and

1550
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,799
uh you know

1551
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,119
some of them suffered concussions

1552
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,520
but i did a remote view then because we

1553
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:37,760
wanted to know

1554
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,400
what iran would do after that

1555
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,119
all right and uh anyhow

1556
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,480
the message came back so that they're

1557
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,079
aware of world events or they're

1558
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,319
watching everything we're doing

1559
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,040
i think they're instrumental in maybe

1560
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,520
doing things to certain people like i'm

1561
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,319
gonna say certain people in the world

1562
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,680
are more

1563
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,760
uh influential

1564
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,240
so so they can if they can whisper in

1565
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:04,000
that person's ear and cause them to do

1566
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,119
something

1567
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,880
uh they can get a result that maybe it

1568
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,440
takes more effort to maybe it doesn't

1569
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,760
for the for the population most people

1570
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,040
to be involved you know if you can have

1571
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,640
your leaders screwed up then your

1572
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,640
country you know look through history

1573
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,440
you know whether it be rome or germany

1574
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,520
a bad leader can lead a lot of people

1575
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,240
astray um and that's the thing on that

1576
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,240
one clip that i share with actually a

1577
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:27,680
couple of them

1578
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,119
in in 2019 pre pandemic my wife and i

1579
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,599
we're in the library um

1580
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,359
and uh you know we're the only ones

1581
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:36,880
there and

1582
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,319
um i asked about you know

1583
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,680
what the future is going to be like with

1584
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,680
the election and stuff i started having

1585
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,960
some political yeah we're going to get

1586
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:46,480
into that because i have some questions

1587
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,599
about that well that's the first

1588
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,960
question that i have here to play we

1589
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,040
could get it for somebody

1590
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,440
pre-pandemic and just just just so

1591
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,520
everybody understands this is the first

1592
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,640
this is a

1593
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,480
sort of a part one of what we're

1594
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,440
intending to do here yeah and uh gary to

1595
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:02,720
his credit

1596
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,839
has agreed to say here's all my raw data

1597
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,799
and then

1598
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,040
so far agreed that he will do one of

1599
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,720
these sessions with me

1600
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:11,680
present

1601
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,359
with some of my equipment and we'll see

1602
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:17,599
what happens

1603
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,240
step towards towards a bigger sort of

1604
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,400
bigger project

1605
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,160
of covering this i'm very curious to see

1606
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,000
if you can reproduce this

1607
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,839
with me present and just to be clear i'm

1608
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:29,280
not saying that you're faking it or

1609
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:30,240
whatever

1610
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,040
but

1611
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,839
i'm gonna do everything that i can do

1612
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,359
to make sure that

1613
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,480
uh i can be sure that you're not somehow

1614
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,720
generating this or hoaxing it or what

1615
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:41,760
whatever

1616
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:44,559
absolutely i want i want you to actually

1617
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,480
buy uh i know i'll i'll buy an unopened

1618
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,799
uh phone of this man i can get one yeah

1619
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,000
i can get one

1620
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,640
look i'm telling you i will stand on

1621
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,119
this phenomenon is so out there and they

1622
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,000
they don't mind other people so i have

1623
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,640
no problem i'm sure i will deliver and

1624
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,799
you'll have something to talk about um

1625
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,480
yeah they're gonna come back after we do

1626
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,200
that yeah yeah oh yeah look like i said

1627
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,359
this is a crazy stuff i it's only a

1628
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,520
small part of my life and it's so weird

1629
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,280
to find you because you're so close to

1630
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,880
me like yeah

1631
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,319
normally i find somebody like you and

1632
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,160
they're like yeah fly out to california

1633
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,000
and we'll you know i'm like yeah that's

1634
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,760
kind of a hassle but you're a short

1635
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,400
drive from me yeah you're 40 minutes 40

1636
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,559
minutes away i mean it's it's a helping

1637
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,720
to skip uh let's let's get to these

1638
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,160
clips sure

1639
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,760
let's get to these clips

1640
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,359
all right we're gonna the first one has

1641
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,280
to do with the election which uh is

1642
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,359
weird to me because they don't make an

1643
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,880
accurate prediction

1644
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,640
but i agree with what you said and by

1645
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,240
the way we don't say that letter of the

1646
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,319
alphabet here because uh

1647
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:47,920
youtube doesn't like that letter of the

1648
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,799
alphabet so the alphabet the alphabet

1649
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,880
conspiracy people could interpret this

1650
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,040
in a certain kind of a way and just to

1651
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,040
be clear gary there was some other stuff

1652
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,880
in this video which showed like riots

1653
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,280
and violence i had to pick past that

1654
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,119
because youtube doesn't like depictions

1655
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,240
of you got it gross violence so i've got

1656
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:08,000
this queued up this is the first one

1657
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:09,440
where you ask who's going to win the

1658
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,799
election

1659
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,559
you've got it queued up

1660
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:14,400
well i've got it queued up so that i

1661
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,520
passed the

1662
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,240
uh oh yeah sorry yeah yeah that's it i

1663
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,119
just said not to do that damn it damn it

1664
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,960
all right here we go

1665
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:37,589
who is going to win

1666
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,750
i have headphones on so to me it seems

1667
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,920
very clear that it's saying donald trump

1668
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:44,160
but i'm curious what the live audience

1669
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:45,520
thinks if they're not listening on

1670
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:46,960
headphones and i'd have to listen to

1671
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,000
this i have listened to this often and

1672
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,240
with headphones off and on and i will

1673
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,240
say the same thing about your apparent

1674
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,400
captures that i have about others that

1675
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:58,640
it's it's much easier to

1676
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:02,079
discern it or to to hear the words that

1677
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,280
you're saying it's saying with

1678
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,480
headphones

1679
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,480
and on open-air speakers it's a little

1680
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,480
more difficult but i did sit with some

1681
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,119
really good speakers in my basement

1682
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,359
these big huge old sansui speakers i

1683
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,440
have and it was very clear that

1684
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,359
it appears to be saying donald trump

1685
01:02:23,590 --> 01:02:19,839
who's going to win the u.s presidential

1686
01:02:23,590 --> 01:02:23,600
election of 2020.

1687
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,630
[Music]

1688
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,430
so there we go there's the first one but

1689
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:34,079
why do you think then that they got the

1690
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,079
prediction wrong

1691
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,960
all right so as you know um i

1692
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:41,119
had to swap out the actual answer comes

1693
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,640
before the question in the raw clip

1694
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:44,160
which of course i can share with you any

1695
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,960
time

1696
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,039
um why that's what i don't understand

1697
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,359
they answer the question before you

1698
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,079
before utilize it so you just think of a

1699
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:54,640
question and they answer it yes correct

1700
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,039
okay so again are they telepathic i

1701
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,440
don't know um because i've done research

1702
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,280
for other people outside of my knowledge

1703
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,039
base that they're getting those answers

1704
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:05,119
right so that tells me maybe it's way

1705
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:08,000
beyond just me um maybe i'm a focal

1706
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:11,760
point in some other sense but so i think

1707
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,319
i think and this is just my take on it

1708
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,480
um and uh there are people out there

1709
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,200
that do believe he won all right um

1710
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:21,839
crazy people um we don't hear we don't

1711
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:25,200
hear just from ai algorithm gods uh

1712
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:28,000
youtube we we stand by the results of

1713
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,440
the actual

1714
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,720
right right

1715
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:32,960
yeah i buried the clip i was told to

1716
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,760
bury that when

1717
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,440
because they said to be problematic

1718
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,240
remember this this was recorded in

1719
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,440
september

1720
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,200
2020. this was the question on

1721
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,200
everybody's mind so i said i'm going to

1722
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:47,440
ask all right now earlier what you

1723
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,640
didn't show

1724
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,039
is an entity saying and that was

1725
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,200
recorded in 2019

1726
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,760
pre-pandemic which again mystified me

1727
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,440
the entity said

1728
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,319
makes it hell for voting nobody knew

1729
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,760
what does that mean it makes it hell for

1730
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,760
voting at the time i'm like wow that

1731
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:05,520
just sounds crazy i mean most of the

1732
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,240
stuff sounds crazy but um

1733
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,000
and then the pandemic comes and then you

1734
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:12,079
realize people are you know sheltering

1735
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,280
in place and everything and you start

1736
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,680
realizing maybe there is a problem

1737
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,520
uh with you know the way things will

1738
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,920
happen when it comes to voting luckily

1739
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,680
mail-in voting came along and people

1740
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,680
were able to you know to to get their

1741
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,079
votes out there and still get counted

1742
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,240
but there was definitely and i i i'm

1743
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:29,520
going to say

1744
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:30,880
my feeling

1745
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,000
is that our democracy came the closest

1746
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,160
certainly during my lifetime to a

1747
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:38,720
disaster within the last degree of that

1748
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,440
yeah

1749
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,640
and i think

1750
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,680
it will only bear

1751
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,200
the people who

1752
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,440
think that was an innocent display on

1753
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:49,839
january 6th

1754
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,280
are lost the that is not the way

1755
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,520
our democracy works i mean it may be

1756
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,640
when you talk about revolutions and

1757
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,240
stuff but there was nothing that was

1758
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,599
deserving to sacrifice our democracy for

1759
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:02,960
one man

1760
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,079
all right so um and that's all he ego he

1761
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,240
was quick to stab pence right in the

1762
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,240
back too so

1763
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,079
that was funny i'm telling her like it

1764
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,119
is but the entities

1765
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,520
seem set on either playing a game and i

1766
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,119
said it again i want to preface this

1767
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,440
they're mischievous do not believe in

1768
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:23,280
the accuracy even though i asked the

1769
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:24,319
question

1770
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,559
they gave an intelligent response to the

1771
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:30,559
question

1772
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:31,760
and

1773
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,119
you know a fast way for me to be hated

1774
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:37,359
or loved by 50 million people was to

1775
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,799
take a stand on this and make it as

1776
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,319
public as possible

1777
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:42,079
because you know some people would be

1778
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,760
like oh my god there's the truth or the

1779
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,920
oh my god that guy is in league with the

1780
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,000
devil you know i mean he's trying to

1781
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,839
cause more chaos so i stepped back i

1782
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,079
buried and i shared with you

1783
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,240
uh but you know because i i'm not saying

1784
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:55,760
that it's not a harmless clip even right

1785
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,359
now the idea that there are invisible

1786
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:02,079
entities or claim to be otherworldly

1787
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:03,359
or alien

1788
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,799
willing to divulge a secret or even stir

1789
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,720
up more chaos by

1790
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,319
telling a lie

1791
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,799
that goes back to what the hell are they

1792
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,960
that's what matters here you know is

1793
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,799
there an agenda is there an adversary

1794
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,400
relationship are they playing an f in

1795
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,400
game with us and if they are we need to

1796
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,440
figure a way to deal with that because

1797
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,400
that's a sobering thought um so yeah

1798
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,240
there's a certain gravity to what i'm

1799
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,119
trying to uh to convey here there are

1800
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,960
jokes there are there's a sense of humor

1801
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,880
that at times is twisted

1802
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:36,799
and there are other times when it's

1803
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:40,240
downright cruel and and perhaps

1804
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:41,280
uh

1805
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,240
is a destabilizing element that is

1806
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,280
trying to

1807
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,359
one hand get recognized they exist on

1808
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,599
another hand yeah and interfere with and

1809
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,280
mess with us yeah yeah on another hand

1810
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:55,440
demonstrate that they can do things to

1811
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,880
stir the pot

1812
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,200
so you know you hear people like lou

1813
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,280
to uh you know you hear people uh talk

1814
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:03,839
about a threat narrative there could be

1815
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,319
such a thing uh if if they

1816
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,319
even if they're not extraterrestrial

1817
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:10,960
even if they're just energies that are

1818
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,359
floating around somehow through accident

1819
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,079
i hope not by design that i stumbled

1820
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,520
across this

1821
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,280
and i don't know what to do except to

1822
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:22,000
say hey you guys out here's the data

1823
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:23,359
please and that's what i want you to do

1824
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:24,559
because the more people i can get

1825
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,240
involved to to look at the same data and

1826
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,079
to come to conclusions and if they're

1827
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,079
the same conclusions to have a consensus

1828
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,079
that's what science is about science

1829
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,839
repeatability scientific method i

1830
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,240
believe in peer review i want to take

1831
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:40,559
this i'm not keeping this to myself if i

1832
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,760
go down the history books there's

1833
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,760
another kenneth arnold with no relation

1834
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,920
to me even though my name's gary arnold

1835
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,799
um

1836
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,960
but but if i can get the credit in a

1837
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,640
sense that hey this guy got the ball

1838
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,400
rolling so people you know realize that

1839
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,000
hey we're definitely something's going

1840
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,000
on here we're not alone or something is

1841
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:59,440
impinging upon our reality all right

1842
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,079
now i want to be fair there are a few

1843
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,319
voices that i say voices there are a few

1844
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:06,559
voices that seem to be benevolent that

1845
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:09,039
seem to be uplifting that seem to

1846
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:10,640
promote hope

1847
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,520
all right

1848
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:12,960
so are these

1849
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,680
what classic people

1850
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,000
and yesteryear would call angels yeah

1851
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:20,080
good and bad you know fallen angels for

1852
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:21,279
the best yeah it could be it could be

1853
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,400
all the above it could be

1854
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,319
interdimensional beings angels and

1855
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:26,640
humans yeah all contacting you

1856
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,640
yes so it's made me more of a person of

1857
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,080
faith in the sense that well yeah i

1858
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,920
can't i can't claim ignorance anymore i

1859
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,319
can't claim that i i don't sense that

1860
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,920
there's something going on the people in

1861
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,920
the live chat are asking to hear more so

1862
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,920
let's why don't we get yes

1863
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:41,120
we have several

1864
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,560
we're not gonna

1865
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:44,799
gary's got a monstrous collection of

1866
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:47,679
these i'm just saying the ones

1867
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:50,239
are not the some of the private ones yet

1868
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,359
but we'll be sharing more of that uh in

1869
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,759
time so this is uh

1870
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:57,600
this is another one

1871
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,640
uh let's share this make sure the volume

1872
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:02,960
is cranked and we'll see what the live

1873
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:20,149
let's play it again

1874
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,550
that's creepy it sounds almost robotic

1875
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,640
yes it does

1876
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,159
like ai

1877
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,239
it's i i uh

1878
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,799
gary i i had a huge interest in robots

1879
01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:32,480
and i used to even work at the drexel

1880
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:35,239
robotics lab that sounds to me like in

1881
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,520
1988 or 19 early 1990s uh text-to-speech

1882
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:41,759
voice that's what it sounds like to me

1883
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:44,159
it does to me

1884
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:50,870
yeah

1885
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,440
answers coming first i asked the

1886
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,159
question after the answer

1887
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,320
but you're thinking of the ant are you

1888
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,000
thinking of the question and then they

1889
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,239
answer you and then you ask it i don't

1890
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,760
understand why you would do that though

1891
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,520
why would you just not

1892
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,920
yeah all i do and here's the ammo all

1893
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,800
right

1894
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,400
strange signal comes

1895
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,280
i take the phone all right i push the

1896
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:17,120
record button on the digital voice

1897
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,159
recorder

1898
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,920
i say that whatever question pops into

1899
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:21,040
my head

1900
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,719
and then upon playback

1901
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:24,960
the answer to my question

1902
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,320
oh okay so after playback yeah so every

1903
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,880
time but do you audibly hear the answer

1904
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:33,120
after you ask the question no you don't

1905
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,880
either you won't know

1906
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,400
on the table

1907
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,920
this is the translator i call it the

1908
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,320
conduit you know um this is

1909
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:43,120
without this i could not interact uh and

1910
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:44,159
understand what they're saying and

1911
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,360
wanting to say

1912
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:46,880
let's play this one let's play this one

1913
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,510
are you otherworldly

1914
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,080
or up a dimensional

1915
01:11:01,110 --> 01:11:00,400
yeah that's that one's creepy

1916
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:01,120
yeah

1917
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,880
and

1918
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,719
what i did see some of the tests that

1919
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,640
were set up that i would ask the same

1920
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,920
question

1921
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,080
and i have different selection different

1922
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,080
order let's say i had three uh things to

1923
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,239
choose from for and different order so

1924
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,239
will they always select the same thing

1925
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,320
if you change the order they do so it's

1926
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,920
like the now

1927
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,560
i'm not offering the or because when i

1928
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,719
say or something else they don't say

1929
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,640
there's something else all right

1930
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,159
somebody just

1931
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,719
let's go brandon

1932
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:33,280
there's there's some ornery people

1933
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,159
but

1934
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,560
yeah i just uh you know you gotta have a

1935
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:38,560
sense of humor i think there's a serious

1936
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:39,679
quality here we need to get to the

1937
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,880
bottom of this um again i'm so open to

1938
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,640
sharing with you because especially your

1939
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:46,400
local and you do have the credentials

1940
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,360
yeah and honestly gary i i i liked

1941
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,040
knowing that you were local and also

1942
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,120
that you were willing to because some

1943
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,960
guys come to me with claims and then as

1944
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:56,239
soon as they realize that i'm going to

1945
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:58,000
start grilling them and and i mean that

1946
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,440
in a polite way i hope we can be

1947
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,600
friendly about it you know but i want to

1948
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,719
make sure

1949
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:03,840
that this is

1950
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,800
not

1951
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,040
you know that this is on the level and

1952
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,199
all these things and is very open to it

1953
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,679
he's like i'll give you everything i got

1954
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,360
you know and now he's like you can

1955
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,360
record with me you can be there when we

1956
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,600
do this session yeah we're gonna do this

1957
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,520
let's get into some of the other clips

1958
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,239
we have several to share here sure which

1959
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:24,320
are very very interesting

1960
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,679
uh

1961
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,679
and it's probably a bad idea to listen

1962
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,199
to this stuff real late at night after

1963
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,800
you've been watching horror movies i did

1964
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,840
that

1965
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,679
guys sending me all these links and i

1966
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,480
watched uh oh i watched the fourth kind

1967
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,719
which i forgot that i seen it before and

1968
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,320
it's a terrible movie but it is kind of

1969
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,000
creepy and scary and then i was

1970
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:43,760
listening to this stuff bit idea let's

1971
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:52,790
let me get play that one again

1972
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:55,270
where are you are you

1973
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,880
in a room are you

1974
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,400
in a different

1975
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:03,040
context are you even here present with

1976
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,000
me in this location or are you somewhere

1977
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,640
all together uh other

1978
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,320
yeah and it sounds like it says all

1979
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,719
together yep and

1980
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:14,159
here let's let's let the audience hear

1981
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,470
and let me ask you do they always do the

1982
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,560
same sequence where

1983
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,480
the the answer comes before the question

1984
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,640
on the recording every single time they

1985
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,159
do that

1986
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:32,239
it would make it easier if they did nine

1987
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,600
times out of ten and that's no

1988
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,600
exaggeration nine times out of ten they

1989
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,760
do all right but there are a few times

1990
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,679
when they will answer after so i'm like

1991
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,360
why is this the exception is this

1992
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,440
question something different i mean does

1993
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,920
it deserve a different kind of uh you

1994
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,600
know scrutiny

1995
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,040
but no

1996
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,199
it's not universal but it's most of the

1997
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,520
time i mean i'm talking about 90 of the

1998
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:55,920
time they will answer an intelligent

1999
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,040
response we heard before my question so

2000
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:01,040
i don't know

2001
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,560
let's get to this next one because this

2002
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,760
is interesting because this is where

2003
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,719
they

2004
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,480
you you talked about this one i want to

2005
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:09,199
let our audience hear it uh without you

2006
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,950
influencing oh

2007
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:17,040
tell me what are you

2008
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,910
so

2009
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:23,520
tell me

2010
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,800
that's weird you're getting that weird

2011
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,360
interference yeah

2012
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:29,120
we're gonna check that for evps they

2013
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,800
might be messing with us right now they

2014
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,640
could be

2015
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,480
let's play this again and i'm gonna play

2016
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:36,000
this in full though

2017
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,870
[Music]

2018
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,960
tell me what are you

2019
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,640
are you spirit

2020
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:48,480
are you alien

2021
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,790
that's weird

2022
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,560
yeah let me let me try this one more

2023
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,640
time

2024
01:15:06,870 --> 01:14:59,199
one moment

2025
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:07,830
so

2026
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,679
tell me what are you are you spirit

2027
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:13,520
are you alien

2028
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,790
yeah that's bizarre yeah and that again

2029
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,320
that

2030
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,719
i offered them a selection

2031
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,920
all right so they could have said

2032
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,280
something else if they're not alien

2033
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,640
again

2034
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,320
accuracy and interpretation i'm not

2035
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:36,320
really going to go there but sounds like

2036
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,760
alien to me um and the voice i can even

2037
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,360
tell you where i was

2038
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,440
my kids were playing tennis

2039
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,159
all right uh i was outside under this

2040
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:47,920
big tree i sent you the i think a

2041
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,080
picture of me standing there

2042
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:52,960
i have a

2043
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,560
shirt that i created it's a d-o-n and

2044
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:58,640
then american flag tea it's supposed to

2045
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,159
be don t don't you know and it says but

2046
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,760
don't even go there is basically what it

2047
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,480
you know so uh it was making a political

2048
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,400
statement but anyhow

2049
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:09,760
i'm sitting there the air ringing i'm

2050
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,719
staying i'm standing there next to the

2051
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,640
tree the ear ringing happens my kids are

2052
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:14,480
playing tennis

2053
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,840
i ask the question what they are and

2054
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:19,520
upon play back there it is i'm like oh

2055
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,960
my gosh this is great this is you know

2056
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:24,800
there was uh

2057
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,199
kind of a euphoria because i i was like

2058
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:29,199
wow they say they're alien you know

2059
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,560
they've said before they're otherworldly

2060
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,719
but now they're kind of confirming again

2061
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,560
yeah so it's like you know i keep

2062
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,239
thinking in the back of my mind man this

2063
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,560
is the moment that i could say

2064
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,480
contact with an alien

2065
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,560
even though it's a sense of humor that i

2066
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,640
have to have too and maybe maybe

2067
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:47,120
somebody said you know you're just kind

2068
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,640
of off the wall enough that you don't

2069
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,800
take this seriously maybe they find that

2070
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,159
interesting

2071
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,239
i don't know i don't know

2072
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:55,920
it's not about some people i'm sure some

2073
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,320
people will be afraid and freaked out

2074
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,640
and you seem to be welcoming it which

2075
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,000
makes me think you should talk to a

2076
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:04,159
priest just in case i mean i grew up

2077
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,719
catholic i'm not i'm not joking gary

2078
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,679
like

2079
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,360
you don't want to invite you don't want

2080
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:11,520
to invite unknown entities into your

2081
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:14,159
life if you're not 100 sure that they're

2082
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,120
not demonic so i was a little concerned

2083
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,120
you're like yeah come hang out you know

2084
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:20,880
don't just bother me at lunch like you

2085
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:21,679
know

2086
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,159
i i agree

2087
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,239
just out of an abundance of caution i

2088
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,000
would i would take some of this to a

2089
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:30,239
priest and see what he says yeah i'm i'm

2090
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,400
a spiritual person i i do still um pray

2091
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,000
and uh here's another one that you

2092
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:38,159
mentioned uh during our talk and we're

2093
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:48,149
should i sell my white pigeons

2094
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,080
i think you should sell them

2095
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:51,920
yeah i did sell them not because they

2096
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,070
should i sell my white pigeons

2097
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,870
wow that's bizarre everything everything

2098
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,040
yeah everything i have is time stamped

2099
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,600
all right so and you know even though

2100
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,080
this old tracfone there is a lot of

2101
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:14,080
metadata that you can extract the

2102
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,760
researchers and stuff that clip as i

2103
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,080
said earlier was comprehensively

2104
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,239
analyzed with computer software bleeding

2105
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:22,800
edge computer software that looked for

2106
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:26,400
subliminal components as well uh and it

2107
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:29,520
just when they peel it away and you have

2108
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,239
before you even hear selam the split

2109
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,840
second before that

2110
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,520
it says

2111
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,600
what kind of pigeon does he have

2112
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,360
is it a homer how much do you think

2113
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,360
he'll get this is all happening

2114
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:43,920
lickety-split i mean right before

2115
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,719
the evp so subliminal messages then the

2116
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,120
audible evp which is emphatic you heard

2117
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,199
it most most people agree that's a class

2118
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,840
a evp that that sounds like selling and

2119
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,000
then you have my question that's that's

2120
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,080
one again i'm passionate about pigeons

2121
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,920
but that's a near and dear clip because

2122
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,400
i'm like wow there's a lot going on here

2123
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,640
and uh interesting

2124
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,320
yeah picks with a good

2125
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:08,159
point he says can we uh all take

2126
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,440
seriously that there are tens of

2127
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,040
thousands of our fellow humans that may

2128
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,960
be dealing with similar experiences

2129
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:14,000
imagine

2130
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,679
and uh you know

2131
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,520
one of the things that i

2132
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,360
uh

2133
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:21,120
one of the things that these specific

2134
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:24,320
evps reminded me of is the mothman

2135
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:26,159
and and uh

2136
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,040
how

2137
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,440
people were experiencing similar

2138
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:31,280
electronic voice

2139
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,520
people that were experiencing the

2140
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,760
mothman which many people think are some

2141
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:39,920
sort of interdimensional being it just

2142
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:43,040
has a it rings like the descriptions

2143
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:45,760
that i have heard of people who claim

2144
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,600
that after seeing mothman started

2145
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,360
getting phone calls

2146
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:52,080
with these weird electronic voices and

2147
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,360
things like that

2148
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:56,159
it's bizarro that it would be sort of

2149
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:59,840
robotic or electronic sounding right

2150
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,480
you know let's do this this one is uh

2151
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,239
probably my favorite one i like this one

2152
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:07,120
the best it's i don't know why but let's

2153
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:08,490
take a listen friends

2154
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,760
[Applause]

2155
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,760
tell me

2156
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:13,600
what do you eat

2157
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:18,950
tell me

2158
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,679
what do you eat

2159
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,639
tell me

2160
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,400
seems very clear but this one sounds

2161
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,880
more like a feminine voice to me it does

2162
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:28,080
and

2163
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:30,159
if you look at the documentary we have

2164
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,199
the uh

2165
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:33,440
one analysis where they actually uh

2166
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,760
suggest gender and that would be a

2167
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,159
feminine and maybe even a child

2168
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,480
yeah and so i've asked the question i'll

2169
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,800
give your audience a little glimpse i

2170
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:44,719
said is there an age distinction where

2171
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,760
you are

2172
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:47,199
all right

2173
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,159
no

2174
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,400
so again

2175
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,920
i would have thought there is because it

2176
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,760
sounds childlike and i have a few yeah i

2177
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,440
didn't think child like i thought i

2178
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:56,960
thought female let's listen to it one

2179
01:21:02,550 --> 01:20:58,840
more

2180
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,860
what do you eat

2181
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,520
[Applause]

2182
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:07,440
yeah i could hear it might be childlike

2183
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:08,480
yeah

2184
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,600
so if you think about cherubs you know

2185
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,480
again we we see everything

2186
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:16,560
through a filter a cultural bias that's

2187
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:19,600
already there we can't easily escape so

2188
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:22,239
i hear it and maybe i hear and i think

2189
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,040
of like

2190
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:25,120
cherubs or you know

2191
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,639
childlike angels

2192
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,960
i don't know and that's that's where

2193
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:31,520
it's so easy to wade out and go for that

2194
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:34,960
super wu quality i'm not going to claim

2195
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,360
anything beyond that the phenomenon

2196
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:38,880
exists right

2197
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:41,920
and it's obvious that the phenomenon is

2198
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,360
100 in control of this situation they

2199
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:47,360
present themselves as they want to be

2200
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,719
heard their manipulative their humor uh

2201
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,080
and just

2202
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,239
i feel we're being manipulated i feel i

2203
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,480
know i am and i laugh at it and i can

2204
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:58,239
see through it and i think

2205
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,440
i think um

2206
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,040
like with the trump i mean you could

2207
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:03,679
have the serious quality and again the

2208
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,320
conversation runs the entire gamut where

2209
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,320
you have

2210
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,800
a quality that's strange

2211
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:12,880
perversely humorous it's all about

2212
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,280
flatulence and stuff um

2213
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:17,760
and then you have

2214
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:20,800
their ideas of about humanity uh and

2215
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:23,600
looking down on us a lot of them uh and

2216
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,400
and the almost i have one that they

2217
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,280
laugh they laugh they make fun of our

2218
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:30,800
species

2219
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,920
and it's

2220
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:32,880
it's

2221
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,400
something i i again i i don't know i i'm

2222
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,719
not gonna stake my claim

2223
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,719
on anything beyond the evidence that's

2224
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,560
what i can share with you you can be

2225
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:44,719
there i can record stuff with you then

2226
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,600
you can

2227
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:47,920
hopefully dissect it like others have

2228
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:49,360
and we can yeah one thing one thing i

2229
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,800
would like to do is

2230
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,480
i would like to do this recording

2231
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,480
session with you but then

2232
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,560
i want to take all of the tapes and i

2233
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,040
don't want you to influence me you know

2234
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:01,679
what the voice is saying right then i i

2235
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,400
want to work on the audio files and then

2236
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,639
see what do i think the voice is saying

2237
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,480
before you even hear it

2238
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,880
yeah and maybe get some other people to

2239
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:13,360
also listen to what i do and say and ask

2240
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:16,480
them what because let's say for example

2241
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,760
people are saying in the chat that a lot

2242
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:19,440
of people are hearing different things

2243
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,440
which is a possibility so let's say for

2244
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:23,280
example we you and i did a recording

2245
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,880
session and then

2246
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,360
i got 10 people to listen to the results

2247
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,080
and and tell me what is the voice saying

2248
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,239
okay if if eight of them say different

2249
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:35,199
things and only two of them say the same

2250
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,560
it's kind of like

2251
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,360
that parabola effect you know

2252
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,199
your mind is because our minds are

2253
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,360
designed to sort of fill in the blanks

2254
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:45,360
and make patterns out of

2255
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,159
out of chaos absolutely and that's where

2256
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,760
i go to

2257
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:52,080
the touchstone that i'm using is i'm

2258
01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:53,520
going to give you

2259
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,080
the raw data all right you do what you

2260
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:58,800
want with it yeah right you come to it

2261
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,840
that's fine uh i have taken my raw data

2262
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,600
and i've given to others as well as i've

2263
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,080
said um and

2264
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,040
the one group they use software that's

2265
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,239
objective the software unlike

2266
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,800
human beings which come at distance

2267
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:16,639
already have the preconceived notions

2268
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,159
and i already have the idea of

2269
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,360
vocabulary words the computers

2270
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,600
are less i mean there's always a

2271
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:25,360
programmer behind don't get me wrong i'm

2272
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:27,280
a realist all right so even though you

2273
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:28,880
can try to make something as random and

2274
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:31,520
as uh objective there's probably still a

2275
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,560
little bit of the person behind

2276
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:36,800
whoever created the software i'm not

2277
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,280
saying that we can't get uh

2278
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:41,920
absolute the ideal 100 percent

2279
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:43,280
objective

2280
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:44,639
artificial intelligence has no

2281
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,679
connection to humanity in that sense to

2282
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,199
read something but the software is

2283
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,280
pretty close right now um

2284
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:53,520
i actually uh some of this stuff you

2285
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,560
could send the the message to google

2286
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,639
translate you ever hear that

2287
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,400
so yeah that's one of the other things i

2288
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,800
was going to suggest is that i have six

2289
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,320
different kinds of voice recognition

2290
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,159
software right right and i could run

2291
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:08,400
this through all six of them and see

2292
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,080
what is what is the ai algorithm that is

2293
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,560
designed to detect

2294
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,239
you know speech

2295
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,960
right this this is saying you know right

2296
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,040
that's one of the things i'd suggest

2297
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,280
and you have this uh you have this

2298
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,440
uh this is sort of a trailer or

2299
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,080
something about subterrarian seance

2300
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,239
let's play that for the benefit of uh

2301
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:32,159
people who may be more interested in

2302
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:33,840
finding out more about

2303
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,520
uh you're crazy i mean you're

2304
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,840
this is nutty it is nutty but it's fun

2305
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,920
right it's kind of like an interesting

2306
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:44,400
fun nutty thing right yeah right my

2307
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:45,840
nutty friend gary talks to

2308
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:48,719
interdimensional beings to a 1989 cell

2309
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:49,679
phone

2310
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,239
to mid 2000's uh 2004 oh so 2005. yeah

2311
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:57,920
all right this is the uh

2312
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,080
this is the trailer for your your

2313
01:26:05,230 --> 01:26:02,320
documentary piece subterrarian seance

2314
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:05,240
the evidence speaks

2315
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:33,360
[Music]

2316
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,880
yeah interesting

2317
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,400
one of many

2318
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:37,760
many trailers

2319
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:41,199
yeah thank you i again i i just

2320
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,280
i just go for hey

2321
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,760
there's the first documentary it's

2322
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,440
called subterranean seance the evidence

2323
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,600
speaks it's a little artsy fartsy if

2324
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,040
anyone wants to watch that it's out

2325
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,679
there um gum road is where you find

2326
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,280
these because they give you the greatest

2327
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:57,440
percentage back um

2328
01:27:09,030 --> 01:26:58,560
the

2329
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,040
that i go through and like i said i've

2330
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:11,520
had a prominent member of ufo twitter

2331
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,719
i've had a couple of other people um

2332
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,040
that also contribute to this uh who are

2333
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,679
in the audio uh industry

2334
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:22,800
uh you know this engineers uh i also

2335
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,679
have uh a lot of these people one guys

2336
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,320
with uh bob bigelow's group his team

2337
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:30,719
so um this is all out there and i go

2338
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,280
line by line through the reports and say

2339
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,960
this is what the

2340
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,880
software the computer software analyzing

2341
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:38,880
this says

2342
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:41,600
think about this a wave form

2343
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,360
a sound wave can be analyzed just like

2344
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,159
a picture a photograph pixel by pixel

2345
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:50,719
and a computer can determine hey is this

2346
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:53,679
has this been photoshopped is this legit

2347
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,320
same thing the waveform they can see

2348
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:57,920
what i've created you know what i what

2349
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,400
i've recorded is genuine authentic yeah

2350
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:02,880
i'll be able to tell if

2351
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,600
if something was edited in i could tell

2352
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,159
yeah this from my software and my

2353
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,320
experience with yeah and like i said

2354
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:12,159
i'll send you some stuff tomorrow i mean

2355
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,840
if you supply the email

2356
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,080
yeah absolutely yeah yeah and you can

2357
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,800
then say my god i mean if this is now

2358
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,880
again it doesn't it doesn't relate to

2359
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,199
the accuracy or the interpretation

2360
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,800
because that you know all i'm saying is

2361
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:27,199
the data is genuine

2362
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,960
whether trump

2363
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:31,199
won the election or not is not

2364
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,040
no he definitely he lost youtube he lost

2365
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:38,400
yeah he lost yeah definitely lost

2366
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,280
okay so the the one the the final

2367
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:43,199
question that i i want to ask you though

2368
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:44,159
is

2369
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:46,719
because i'm sure that people are gonna

2370
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:49,040
think this too i'm not the only one why

2371
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:52,560
a cell phone from 2005 are you using

2372
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,639
that as the recording device did you

2373
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,800
never try other

2374
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:58,880
like digital recorders should you get

2375
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:02,320
similar results or no um

2376
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:05,120
this and that again the cell phones of

2377
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:08,840
this era pre-smartphone all right um

2378
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,199
they this is what

2379
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:13,040
i guess i can quote his name dave mason

2380
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:14,560
are you familiar with him

2381
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,520
not especially right now so he he's got

2382
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,600
uh some non-disclosure agreements and

2383
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:21,199
stuff

2384
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:22,320
he

2385
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,400
all right

2386
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:47,120
when the entity speaks it's invisible

2387
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,040
it's not this might suggest that that

2388
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:51,280
what is happening is a flaw in that

2389
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,639
phone and not

2390
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:54,560
super casual that's what i'm saying

2391
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:58,000
right but if you analyze the actual clip

2392
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:58,800
you'll

2393
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:02,000
as it was by these uh audio people

2394
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:02,960
the uh

2395
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:05,679
the clip itself there's nothing going on

2396
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:07,520
that

2397
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:10,560
would say oh he's trying to fake this or

2398
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:13,280
and if it was a defect in the firm all

2399
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,080
right well the defect wouldn't spit out

2400
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:17,920
what seems to be intelligent responses

2401
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:18,840
to

2402
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,679
questions i'm saying they have computer

2403
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,440
software that

2404
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:24,960
i was surprised i didn't know that they

2405
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,920
have software that goes beyond just

2406
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,040
uh

2407
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:30,880
just analyzing the waveform to the point

2408
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,080
where it now suggests the likelihood of

2409
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,960
what the response is

2410
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,360
unlike human human beings when we speak

2411
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,920
we use our larynx all right larnix and

2412
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:44,080
uh the air flowing through

2413
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,960
uh

2414
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,040
over the vocal cords

2415
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,199
every one of these

2416
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:51,600
these interactions the responses

2417
01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:55,040
are made in a way that is is not human

2418
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:57,199
but there's nothing about it

2419
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:59,520
the way the patterns they said is so

2420
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:01,600
unique almost like

2421
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:04,719
these are energy packets that they've

2422
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:06,159
again i'm not a technical person you

2423
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,040
have to

2424
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,040
and yeah that they're like shooting into

2425
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:11,840
the device yeah and and they

2426
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,560
they i the second documentary actually

2427
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:16,639
do a deconstruction

2428
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,679
of

2429
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:19,840
the model phone and then we get into the

2430
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:21,440
parts and stuff and we're looking at it

2431
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:23,920
i mean this is also a sense of the first

2432
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,000
one was to artsy fartsy on the

2433
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,880
subterranean sas but it has real evps

2434
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,800
and it has a real analysis the second

2435
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,800
one's about the reports and then what

2436
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,960
the the scientists because these people

2437
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,120
really um when you're you know audio

2438
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:38,880
forensic professional

2439
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:41,199
uh you really are a scientist in that

2440
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:42,719
sense that's your thing that you're

2441
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,800
going about i understand i'm sure yes

2442
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:46,639
yeah the process is in place use the

2443
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,600
same process to analyze each clip so you

2444
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,840
have comparison of you know the same

2445
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,760
apples to apples this is how it's done

2446
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,679
and you come to the same you know like

2447
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,440
this is the way you put it in goes

2448
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:58,800
through the scientific method of

2449
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:01,040
investigating it in computer software

2450
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,199
and at the end boom so they use

2451
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:05,600
different software each one comes to the

2452
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:07,120
same

2453
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:10,159
conclusion that this is legitimate

2454
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,040
authentic and that this is what it's

2455
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,120
likely to be saying now the accuracy

2456
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:17,199
even the computer will say 87 percent

2457
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:19,520
chance that this word is trump all right

2458
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:20,639
or 80

2459
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:24,080
a 95 percent chance that that is solid

2460
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,840
okay

2461
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:27,199
here has a good

2462
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,440
pixar has a good question he says can't

2463
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:31,360
uh voice analysis software basically

2464
01:32:34,709 --> 01:32:32,960
show that the assorted responses are not

2465
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:34,719
random and structured yes

2466
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:36,960
in some ways because

2467
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:39,920
you know uh random noise looks a certain

2468
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,760
way on a spectrograph

2469
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:42,960
and

2470
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:44,560
intelligently

2471
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:47,520
created sound looks a different way

2472
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,360
that's all i could say for now and then

2473
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:51,840
we can get into more detail after i do

2474
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:53,840
an analysis of

2475
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:55,520
gary's existing

2476
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:58,000
data and then but i'm more interested in

2477
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:00,560
doing a secondary i'll get this exact

2478
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:02,719
phone from ebay yeah because that will

2479
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:05,360
be the control that but i i really want

2480
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:06,960
to try

2481
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,159
analog recorders sure laptops with

2482
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:12,560
microphones hooked up essentially what

2483
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,239
i'm going to do for the for the sake of

2484
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:16,000
our audience and i don't want to put you

2485
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:17,600
on the spot but this is what i would

2486
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:18,800
plan

2487
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:21,440
you bring your phone i'll have my phone

2488
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:23,840
my modern phone and my ancient one that

2489
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:25,600
you're gonna that i'm gonna get

2490
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,199
then we're gonna have a whole bunch of

2491
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:29,520
analog tape recorders sure then we're

2492
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,560
gonna have

2493
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,880
six or seven laptops with microphones

2494
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:34,320
attached to them

2495
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:35,280
and

2496
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:38,159
see what happens

2497
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:39,360
sure

2498
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,920
if the if the actual voices are only

2499
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:43,440
picked up on these

2500
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:46,400
old phones then i'm gonna have to find

2501
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,800
an expert on these old phones

2502
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,120
to see if there is any

2503
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:54,000
correlation between why are we getting

2504
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:56,239
this recording on these phones and not

2505
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,400
on any of the you know you know what i

2506
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,800
mean yeah i'm gonna hurt gary i'm gonna

2507
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,400
put him on the spot he's gonna be

2508
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:04,320
sweating bullets like god damn i gotta

2509
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:06,239
make these ghosts talk in front of steve

2510
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:07,600
campion

2511
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,520
it's gonna be fun i will say that i'll

2512
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:11,760
buy some pizza we'll have a good time

2513
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,239
they talk every day so if we spend and

2514
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,920
i'm saying i know basically the time

2515
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:17,280
that they speak yeah just do a couple

2516
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:19,280
hours take a break do a session take a

2517
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:20,480
break through a session and have some

2518
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:23,199
pizza i said i'm so confident that you

2519
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:25,199
are going to get what you're looking for

2520
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,880
and it's going to open up a whole bunch

2521
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,120
more questions but the more people

2522
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:31,360
involved in this i've found i feel more

2523
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,520
and more confident to stand on the data

2524
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:35,520
so when you come out of this saying wow

2525
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,600
man this is this is remarkable then

2526
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:39,199
there's going to be one more person

2527
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:40,960
that's going to be in my portfolio hey

2528
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:43,440
this is remarkable this is interesting

2529
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,280
uh this is extraordinary because that

2530
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:47,679
you go back to that carl sagan quote

2531
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:50,639
right right about the extraordinary

2532
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:52,239
evidence

2533
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:53,679
if you have an extraordinary claim you

2534
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,560
better have the data to back it up

2535
01:35:01,669 --> 01:34:58,960
this is extraordinary so far i will say

2536
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:01,679
that not only do you have a lot of data

2537
01:35:07,430 --> 01:35:04,239
but you're very open to people analyzing

2538
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:07,440
it sure and in my experience

2539
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:09,679
hoaxers when press gets somebody that

2540
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,520
has the expertise to to catch them run

2541
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,760
gary's not running don't give them that

2542
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,440
no

2543
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:18,880
we'll see what happens when i have them

2544
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,360
sweating bullets in my in my rec room

2545
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:23,199
with you i'm gonna surround them with

2546
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:25,760
like 85 recording devices i'm going come

2547
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:26,880
on dude

2548
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,760
these aliens talking you do it because

2549
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,679
we could even live stream that you know

2550
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:33,920
yes he lives during the session and then

2551
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:36,880
that sounds great to me i mean i

2552
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,080
i want no stone unturned i want there to

2553
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,480
be no doubt this is legit we don't

2554
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,320
understand it yet doesn't mean we can't

2555
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,800
understand it and with the more people

2556
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,400
with more people

2557
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,159
getting involved and that's what the

2558
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,320
whole grassroots up campaign i'm trying

2559
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,400
to put it out there so people can say

2560
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,400
hey i'll help you out or let me look

2561
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:57,840
into this for you yeah

2562
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,080
somebody's asking you to do it right now

2563
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:02,400
well i can't report that i can't summon

2564
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:04,400
right this second i can't i don't sit

2565
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:06,560
here and say hey right

2566
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,480
it's never worked that way these aren't

2567
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:10,320
like angels on coal

2568
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:13,840
i mean or devils uh they but they do and

2569
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:15,760
i can tell you basically

2570
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:17,280
um

2571
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:18,639
if we spend

2572
01:36:22,709 --> 01:36:21,280
a few hours of any afternoon

2573
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,719
it will happen

2574
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:24,800
i

2575
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,400
uh

2576
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:30,239
the high contrast and they stick

2577
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:31,440
together you know what i'm going to do

2578
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:33,119
is i'm going to lock up gary in my

2579
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,800
basement he's not allowed to leave until

2580
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:36,320
i hear these aliens talking on the

2581
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:42,070
i'm telling you you're going to get some

2582
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:43,360
great data

2583
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:45,760
i think you're going to be impressed but

2584
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,639
you know it is it is so crazy i don't

2585
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,400
want you and some people

2586
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:51,920
they get into it and then they get

2587
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,320
disturbed by well what does this really

2588
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,960
mean because it opens up a whole

2589
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,360
you get into the vertigo free fall like

2590
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:00,960
oh no what this is what does this mean

2591
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:03,040
in my life you know what

2592
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:05,199
the sense of humor if they if these

2593
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,880
beings never expressed any sense of

2594
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:08,800
humor i probably would have broken my

2595
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:11,280
phone and stopped it's because there's

2596
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:15,199
seems to be some level of of uh

2597
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,719
i don't know

2598
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,400
a common denominator we can have that we

2599
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:20,320
can laugh about something now i'm not

2600
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:22,239
into laughs about cruelty and stuff but

2601
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,719
i don't know if sometimes

2602
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,920
the beings

2603
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,760
are calibrating and i say beings and

2604
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:29,280
again i want your audience to understand

2605
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,360
i have no evidence you know i can put in

2606
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,520
a test tube saying this is a being and i

2607
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,119
call them ethereal entities they call

2608
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,880
themselves alien they say their other

2609
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,560
world they don't see their ghosts they

2610
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:39,760
don't say they're you know

2611
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,080
interdimensional and they just call it

2612
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,440
one of the things that worries me is

2613
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,360
that demons often

2614
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:46,880
masquerade as

2615
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:50,800
other things george or spirits sure sure

2616
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,239
look i believe in the democracy i know

2617
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,080
one catholic priest that is convinced

2618
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,239
that everybody that ever saw an alien or

2619
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,000
had an alien abduction experience that

2620
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,880
it was demons pretending to be aliens

2621
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:03,440
it's always a possibility early believes

2622
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:04,239
that

2623
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:05,920
yeah he studied this stuff he's into

2624
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:08,960
demonology and all this yeah so yeah

2625
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,760
yeah i i again i won't discount anything

2626
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,600
i'm saying they haven't hurt me or my

2627
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:16,080
family they haven't now somebody put on

2628
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:17,760
here why don't you ask them for the

2629
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,159
winning powerball numbers so everybody i

2630
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,080
was that was my last question

2631
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:24,480
has everybody asked us i have

2632
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:26,159
i have and you know what i got a

2633
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:27,360
response

2634
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,560
all right

2635
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:31,440
impossible that's what they said so you

2636
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,440
could i will send you you're like what

2637
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:35,040
the hell i mean

2638
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:36,960
now i also had

2639
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:39,440
another one another clip

2640
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:41,520
and i will send you this you analyze it

2641
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:43,040
to the what to your

2642
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,560
greatest whatever when we had the big um

2643
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,400
the big powerball jackpot like a billion

2644
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:50,080
dollars or something

2645
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:51,520
i had

2646
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:56,639
and and they said powerball numbers you

2647
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,719
slick here's what they said go to the

2648
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:59,920
lottery

2649
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:00,960
all right

2650
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,520
and then it sounds like powerball but i

2651
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,199
stopped record

2652
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:07,119
because the noise stopped so it says

2653
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:08,000
power

2654
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:09,440
and it does it doesn't say the complete

2655
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,239
word

2656
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:12,400
i will send you that you can now i went

2657
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:14,239
and i played the ticket right you know

2658
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,360
what i won seven dollars that's it now

2659
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,360
is that a joke i mean there's a billion

2660
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:21,840
dollar jackpot i won yeah i went to the

2661
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:23,440
lottery because the yeah you're seven

2662
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,199
dollars up don't be greedy gary yeah

2663
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:29,520
that's the sense of humor that i i

2664
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,920
please give me the real numbers don't be

2665
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,440
telling me go to lottery and i win seven

2666
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,080
dollars i mean the odds are not that bad

2667
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,639
that i'd win on my own you know just

2668
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,320
that that's that's the that's the

2669
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:42,960
twisted nature of what i've encountered

2670
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:46,400
they say they're alien i want you to to

2671
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:48,400
we'll set something up with a new year i

2672
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:49,760
will come up there

2673
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,560
you can do whatever tests and stuff we

2674
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:55,280
will come up with a plan so that

2675
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,719
you know you can be satisfied that it

2676
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,719
was the scientific method that you used

2677
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:02,400
and everything that there's no it's an

2678
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,440
airtight case that whatever you get

2679
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,600
it it's going to be i i believe it's

2680
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:09,280
going to be remarkable and you know you

2681
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:11,840
can take it and do whatever with it um

2682
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,000
and i just

2683
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:16,080
i i i shake my head in disbelief because

2684
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,440
i can't even believe i'm having a

2685
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,520
conversation i can't believe that i've

2686
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,600
got people in this world that you know

2687
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:23,440
i'm hoping that i'm encouraging people

2688
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,239
in the right way to be open-minded but

2689
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:28,480
always skeptical that it's important you

2690
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,520
don't be gullible i'm i i i first i look

2691
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,199
yeah i believe in trust i believe in

2692
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,280
trust but verify i try to stop people's

2693
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,360
claims that they're being genuine first

2694
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:39,280
i try to verify it or is this person

2695
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,080
being genuine yeah and honestly it's

2696
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:44,159
almost enough for me if i just believe

2697
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:45,760
that they believe they're telling the

2698
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,159
truth right even if i don't or i'm not

2699
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,000
sure where they are as long as i know

2700
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:52,320
that they believe and i feel that they

2701
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:54,159
believe that they're having a genuine

2702
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:55,520
experience and tell the truth i'll

2703
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,400
listen and trust but i need to verify

2704
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:01,119
and we need a lot of tests and i'm gonna

2705
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,119
gary i'm gonna think about some of these

2706
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,600
things excellent about what i can do

2707
01:41:10,430 --> 01:41:07,679
what scientific instruments i can use i

2708
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:10,440
have evp meters i have uh

2709
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:12,639
magnetometers and some other things and

2710
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:15,760
we can have re so i'm a girl yet and i'm

2711
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,320
gonna have all this gear around you

2712
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:19,520
you're going to be

2713
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,840
hooked up like a cyborg almost we're

2714
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,440
going to have all this stuff

2715
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:25,520
maybe we'll live stream it or we'll just

2716
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,159
record it and then you can come on and

2717
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,560
we'll do another show i'll edit together

2718
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,560
whatever you get and we'll talk about it

2719
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:34,560
it's fascinating to me and interesting

2720
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:36,000
and i i'm more than willing to lend my

2721
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,040
time to

2722
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,440
to investigate something like that nice

2723
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,679
and believe me i'm all open to it so

2724
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,199
yeah we'll get together with the new

2725
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,000
year and we'll do why not do a live

2726
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:48,960
stream too i mean i'm i'm so confident

2727
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:51,520
that what i have discovered or whatever

2728
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,159
has fallen into my lap is john

2729
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:56,000
one other question is yes are you are

2730
01:42:13,270 --> 01:41:57,520
you okay if i have

2731
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,270
this is we're laughing but this is

2732
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,280
something that i truly believe

2733
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,159
if there's a possibility of that this is

2734
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:22,639
some sort of demonic activity or

2735
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,119
entities or whatever i don't want to

2736
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,880
welcome them in my home without the

2737
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:29,199
proper protections in place

2738
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,080
so

2739
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:32,560
yeah and that might be a control too

2740
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:34,880
what if what if let's say for example a

2741
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:37,679
priest you know banishes any negative

2742
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,320
entities or spirits from the from my

2743
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,000
house or the area while you're trying to

2744
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:44,400
do this and nothing happens that would

2745
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,080
be interesting to me yeah right look i i

2746
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:49,840
i'm like i said i'm a person of faith

2747
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,159
when i say faith um

2748
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:54,000
i believe god is bigger than all no i

2749
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:55,679
don't take any chances with demons

2750
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,400
brother no i don't i'm a catholic i was

2751
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:00,719
an altar boy

2752
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:01,840
okay

2753
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,920
i'm going to tell you a little secret

2754
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,360
the entities

2755
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,440
that crave so much attention one of

2756
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:09,520
their weaknesses besides that

2757
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,400
is

2758
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,239
when i've called them out and and

2759
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:14,400
they've been offensive and i've said

2760
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,199
how

2761
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,400
threatening

2762
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,159
are you when you're nothing but a

2763
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:21,600
whisper to me and i have to amplify you

2764
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:24,000
to really understand what you say in my

2765
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,320
world yeah right in my world you don't

2766
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:29,119
really have much substance and guess

2767
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,600
what you know they back all so there's a

2768
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:34,080
realization that no matter what they

2769
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,040
haven't

2770
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:37,280
manifested anything that would tell me

2771
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,560
this is a threat

2772
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,800
um and they they have been right about

2773
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,080
some remote viewing which we can

2774
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:44,800
incorporate some of that too next year

2775
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,119
uh yeah that'd be great i mean

2776
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:49,280
you know i'm willing to share well i

2777
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:51,199
have some experiments too for that we

2778
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,400
could try yeah

2779
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,080
because you know we could we could hide

2780
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,480
some things with the pictures that i

2781
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:58,480
draw or with numbers and see if they

2782
01:44:03,590 --> 01:43:59,440
could get

2783
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,600
yeah i know i know that your time is

2784
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,960
short and so is mine i got to take my

2785
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:07,840
car to mechanic to get inspected

2786
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,320
the government has decided that i'm an

2787
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,239
idiot and somebody else has to look at

2788
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:14,239
my car and say it's safe to drive it

2789
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:15,440
down the road

2790
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,440
and then i have to pay for all this

2791
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:19,600
stuff

2792
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,840
we're so

2793
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:21,840
pennsylvania i have to get mine done in

2794
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,639
uh in april yeah mine's up at the end of

2795
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:26,159
december but i want to get it done and

2796
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,760
take care of it i need a couple tires

2797
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:29,600
and some other stupid things that's what

2798
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,199
they hit you with time that's the year

2799
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,960
no that's the time when i do the main

2800
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:35,199
you know like i put things off i got

2801
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:37,280
these drive they must be dry rotted my

2802
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:39,040
two front tires i got to pump up the

2803
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:41,679
tires like every three days

2804
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:43,360
they don't flatten all the way but they

2805
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,280
go like halfway down i'm like god damn

2806
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:47,280
it and i got an air pump in my car every

2807
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,040
time i gotta go somewhere i'm like open

2808
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,320
the damn tires i'm yeah gotta get it

2809
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:54,000
but listen it was a pleasure talking to

2810
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,760
you know i'm glad that we did it this

2811
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:57,440
way and not like

2812
01:45:03,109 --> 01:44:59,679
rehearsed or talked oh i agree

2813
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,119
pre-games we just this was raw and our

2814
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:05,920
first real good conversation about these

2815
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:08,480
things and i'm sure this is not the last

2816
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:09,600
continue

2817
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,480
i'm gonna re-label this two two notes

2818
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:14,880
i'm gonna re-label this part one okay

2819
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:16,880
i'm also a terrible show host and didn't

2820
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:18,800
put your links in the description so

2821
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:20,560
send me the links that you want to your

2822
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,719
website your documentaries and your

2823
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,719
youtube channel and i'll copy and paste

2824
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:26,719
them into the description of this video

2825
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:29,360
so within within a very short time it'll

2826
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:30,800
all that information will be there and

2827
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,960
you you all can follow gary and

2828
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,239
hopefully you'll follow us on our

2829
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:36,800
journey into this new investigation into

2830
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:39,119
gary and his uh

2831
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:40,320
evp

2832
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:41,679
crazy stuff

2833
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:42,480
yeah

2834
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:43,520
all right i'm gonna throw you out of

2835
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:45,520
here you have a good evening right and

2836
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:46,880
happy holidays if i don't talk to you

2837
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,239
but i'm sure we're going to talk we're

2838
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:50,639
going to talk very soon happy holidays

2839
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:51,600
anyway

2840
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,600
all right thank you for your time gary

2841
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:55,760
well this is a strange one

2842
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:58,320
and i got to say i'm uh intrigued enough

2843
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:00,880
to say i'm all chips in on this i'm all

2844
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:02,000
chips in

2845
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,280
i am gonna

2846
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:05,520
come up with some i got some equipment

2847
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,000
i've got recording devices i got a

2848
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,679
priest that'll come here make sure this

2849
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,280
is not demons

2850
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,400
because i look i i joke a lot but i'm

2851
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:17,040
not kidding you that i don't

2852
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:19,199
i would not willingly

2853
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,840
welcome something into my house that may

2854
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,360
be demonic

2855
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:24,800
so we're gonna have to take some

2856
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:27,360
precautions just in case i i don't think

2857
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:28,639
there's anything wrong with being

2858
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:31,679
cautious in that regard and so i'm gonna

2859
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:34,639
do that uh just a few notes i do have to

2860
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:35,920
run here so

2861
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:40,159
um i apologize uh for uh my lack of time

2862
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,960
here but just a few notes somebody in

2863
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,639
the live chat mentioned that i we took

2864
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,400
away all the wrenches

2865
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,719
and i you know i'm sorry if you're upset

2866
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,040
about that especially if you are a good

2867
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,520
chat room moderator but we had the wild

2868
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,000
wild west going on and people were

2869
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:58,239
muting people because they didn't like

2870
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,560
somebody's opinion people were blocking

2871
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:02,880
people that they didn't like in the live

2872
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,119
chat so now the only chat room monitors

2873
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:06,960
are going to be spooky and

2874
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:09,840
the sixth sense going forward uh and the

2875
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:12,159
sixth sense is angry and i apologize to

2876
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:13,520
him several times

2877
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:14,639
trying to

2878
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:18,080
fix the problems and i didn't understand

2879
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,520
what was happening and somebody else

2880
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,280
told me something different but i trust

2881
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:23,440
his judgment so we had to take away all

2882
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:25,760
the wrenches all the moderators i and

2883
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:27,760
i'm sorry but this is a necessary thing

2884
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,719
because

2885
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:30,400
everybody's opinion here is welcome and

2886
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,760
i can't have personal disagreements like

2887
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:35,360
you know i don't like what that guy said

2888
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:36,719
i'm going to block him from the live

2889
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,960
chat because i have a wrench and i'm a

2890
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,960
moderator here and

2891
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:43,119
in truth there was 50 moderators here

2892
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:44,800
and things were getting crazy so we have

2893
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:47,119
to do that uh finally

2894
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,000
um

2895
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,080
i will make some announcements uh you

2896
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:51,840
know we do a show

2897
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:53,600
we've been doing five or six a week

2898
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:56,400
lately so i will keep you posted as we

2899
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,199
get this part two together what we're

2900
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:01,440
doing i'll be posting some things on

2901
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,080
patreon uh some pictures of where i'm

2902
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:05,840
gonna do the setup and all these other

2903
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,560
things uh we're a viewer supported show

2904
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,320
make sure that you uh

2905
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,840
throw a couple of bucks in the hat if

2906
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:13,440
you have them that would be good uh

2907
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,360
there's a few ways to do that you can

2908
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:17,360
send us a super chat

2909
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:19,199
i don't believe that we got any tonight

2910
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:20,560
let me just check in just to make sure

2911
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:23,520
because we read every single super chat

2912
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,199
that we get

2913
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,360
and tonight we didn't get any and we

2914
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:29,440
also read every single paypal donation

2915
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,360
there's instructions on how to do that

2916
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:33,280
in the live chat

2917
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:34,719
or excuse me in the description of the

2918
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:37,520
video if you are

2919
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:39,679
if you

2920
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,719
broadcast you can send a super chat if

2921
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:43,920
you're not listening to the live

2922
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,199
broadcast

2923
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,600
uh you can always send a paypal donation

2924
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,520
and don't and instructions to do that or

2925
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,679
in the live chat just make sure that you

2926
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,920
include your chat room user id also

2927
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,320
finally uh the other way that you could

2928
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,320
support us and this is just as important

2929
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:00,639
as to like comment subscribe and share

2930
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,719
make sure that you share these videos

2931
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:04,320
share them on your social media if

2932
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,600
you're friends with me on facebook and

2933
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,320
you see the the video the facebook video

2934
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:10,239
share that share the links to the

2935
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:13,119
youtube video uh encourage friends to

2936
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:15,520
like comment subscribe and share uh it

2937
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,080
really does help the youtube algorithm

2938
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,000
uh i want to thank my guest tonight gary

2939
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,320
arnold very interesting guy uh then i'm

2940
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,159
glad that i got a chance to uh get to

2941
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:25,920
know better tonight and i'm glad that i

2942
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,000
got to take you with me you always hear

2943
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,880
me say this friends uh i'm always happy

2944
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:32,239
when there's an audience and i'm very

2945
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,840
fortunate in that every night that i

2946
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:36,080
come here to do this people show up to

2947
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:38,960
hear it to see it to take part in it to

2948
01:49:43,589 --> 01:49:42,080
interact with me and the guests and it

2949
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,599
warms my heart that there's people all

2950
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:45,760
over the world tuning in every night our

2951
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:48,000
show continues to grow and it just keeps

2952
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:49,840
getting bigger and better and i gotta

2953
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:52,400
tell you i love it i love that you were

2954
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,639
all here to witness this tonight

2955
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:56,480
uh thank you for taking the time to be a

2956
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,560
part of my audience so until next time

2957
01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:00,960
friends my name is steven cambion good

2958
01:50:59,160 --> 01:50:58,070
[Music]

2959
01:51:38,709 --> 01:50:59,170
so

2960
01:51:40,420 --> 01:51:38,719
[Music]

2961
01:52:00,780 --> 01:51:40,430
so

2962
01:53:31,000 --> 01:52:51,780
[Music]

2963
01:54:00,590 --> 01:53:31,010
[Applause]